Please put in page number(s) instead of Chapter for references.
- The electric edition I have been studying does not give page numbers.Matthew Babe Stevenson (talk) 20:10, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Interesting that he was demoted from Secretary of State at the POD to deputy minister. I wonder if there's a story in there somewhere. Turtle Fan (talk) 18:36, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- The OTL section says State Secretary not Secretary of State. It might be that is equivalent to deputy minister and the differences are just translation variations from the original German. ML4E (talk) 18:47, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, that could be. Turtle Fan (talk) 18:50, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Germany uses "secretary of state" in a manner different from the English-speaking world. Even during the Nazi period, the "secretary of state" was effectively assistant or deputy to the minister, not the head of the ministry. So he was assistant or deputy to the minister of justice in OTL.
- Since "secretary of state" has a very specific meaning among Anglophone readers on both sides of the Atlantic, I'm inclined to think that HT went with "deputy minister" to make it easier on the reader.
- Ah, okay.
- At the same time, while I can't claim to have heard of this guy before (except when I read Col, but clearly he didn't make an impression), the intro section makes him sound like a fairly big deal. I would have expected him to climb a few steps up the ladder had the Reich survived. Turtle Fan (talk) 19:33, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Looking at his Wikipedia page: early on, he had some weird ties to the Soviet Union. His brother Oswald was also a lawyer and a Nazi, but he won acquittal for at least one Nazi resister. Hitler had Oswald kicked out of the party, and made efforts to screw Roland's career: Goebbels actually suggested Roland for Justice Minister, but Hitler, still convinced he was a Bolshevik, refused. In WW, Hitler would have another decade at least to make the most of Roland's authoritarian shittiness in the legal system while keeping him a minor political figure overall. No reason to think Himmler would be any nicer. TR (talk) 19:53, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Ugh, when the Nazis fight among themselves it's so hard to pick a side. I just want them all to lose--which I suppose they all did, in the end. Turtle Fan (talk) 03:31, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- A bit like the Tarkin-Krennic conflict.Matthew Babe Stevenson (talk) 08:08, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- Not really. Tarkin was a badass, Krennic a whiny little bitch of a middle manager. But when they were on screen together, I was distracted by the limits of the CGI of Tarkin, and wondering why the movie was testing what would have passed a more casual muster to failure, all of this compounded by the fact that they didn't bother getting a Peter Cushing mimic. But mostly I was bored to tears by a movie that was a pointless waste of time. I also seem to remember being distracted by a niggling sense that I may have forgotten to file some important paperwork. Turtle Fan (talk) 15:36, 9 May 2023 (UTC)