Talk:Roe v. Wade

This cherished right is currently under assault from the fascist clique noted for their hatred of women and fetishization of fetuses.Matthew Babe Stevenson (talk) 07:02, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm saving this for the next time you make "both sides" arguments. TR (talk) 15:15, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Heh. Turtle Fan (talk) 16:57, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

If you want to editorialize I think do it either here or in the article, not both. Here is probably better. I know we've been heavily relaxing such concerns recently, but I'm starting to think this sort of stridency is not a good look. Turtle Fan (talk) 14:24, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

I propose the following edit:

"In May 2022, the Republican Party, with the cooperation of its appointees within the Supreme Court, began an aggressive campaign to overturn Roe v. Wade to satisfy the theocratic wishes of a misogynist minority, despite the American people's support for the five-decade-old law."

I think that hits the right mix of reporting of facts and editorializing.TR (talk) 15:15, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

That works, though I might also suggest we wait until there is a change to the status quo so we can say something substantive. Overturning Roe has been a stated Republican aim for a very long time, it's just that they never gained any traction till now. Turtle Fan (talk) 16:57, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Maybe more specific. "In May, 2022, persons unknown leaked a draft opinion that indicates that the Supreme Court will overturn Roe." We can update as needed. TR (talk) 17:06, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

I like that better I think. Turtle Fan (talk) 17:15, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Breaking of Nations)‎

I have no comments on the above. However, I did wonder about something from BoN. When the story begins, it is indicated that abortions were illegal across the USA. This was one of the issues that led to the formation of Pacifica. However, from the news stories on the SCotUS leak, overturning Roe v. Wade doesn't accomplish this. It simply allows states to set their own legal frameworks, including making abortion illegal in that state. This would mean it could remain legal in e.g. California.

Two possibilities occur to me. One is that the Federal government passed legislation overriding state legislation, criminalizing abortions across the USA. There is a parallel to the current situation with marijuana with some states legalizing possession and sales but it still being a Federal offense.

The other is that the Supreme Court went further than just overturning Roe v. Wade. Under the circumstances, I don't think the court would have outright banned abortions, but it may have ruled, either in the particular case or subsequently, that a fetus was a legal person and that an abortion was legally murder. My understanding is that some anti-abortion advocates have tried to set up such a legal framework and may have brought such a claim forward in the story background. ML4E (talk) 17:36, 6 May 2022 (UTC)