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I don't think he Died Under Unknown Circumstances. He should be alive at the end of Avalon, and I don't think he's mentioned in any other story. In Nouveau Redon, we learn of the fates of William and Ethel, but I don't think Kieft was ever mentioned.JonathanMarkoff (talk) 21:19, October 30, 2017 (UTC)

So you think he lived to the events of Liberating Atlantis? TR (talk) 21:40, October 30, 2017 (UTC)
He just disappears from the story without an acknowledged death. We discussed this before. To avoid having every first-century character from a multi-century series clutter up the DUUC section, characters who simply disappear and have no obituary are not placed in DUUC.JonathanMarkoff (talk) 21:51, October 30, 2017 (UTC)
That was I argued for and I don't recall any disagreement. The idea was that the category would be reserved for characters who we either see die or are mentioned as having died by other characters. ML4E (talk) 16:38, October 31, 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I found that previous conversation, and rolled back accordingly. In my defense, that conversation was a long time ago. TR (talk) 17:19, October 31, 2017 (UTC)
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