Turtledove

Grim Sleeper[]

Actually, the Grim Sleeper is real. The person charged has not been convicted yet, so any article we create will need to simply be under "Grim Sleeper". TR 21:51, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Huh, what do you know. I would have never though it was a real case so didn't even do a quick Google check. Given the present legal situation, I am inclined to list the character in his own article but as a fictional character and add a literary note to the effect that this is based on a real case. ML4E 21:38, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

US VP[]

Vice President Notbiden is a pretty colorful character for the one scene in All Fall Down in which he appears and interacts with other characters. I think he deserves a full subarticle on this page, if not his own page like Unnamed President of Iran (Supervolcano) and Unnamed Grand Ayatollah of Iran (Supervolcano). The Unnamed Fictional Heads of State and Government is for leaders who are only mentioned in passing, which is demonstrably not the case here.JonathanMarkoff (talk) 21:07, June 15, 2016 (UTC)

And done. I included a red link to Dick Cheney as a suggestion to make a hist ref, but certainly not a full blown article, for him.JonathanMarkoff (talk) 02:55, September 24, 2016 (UTC)
"The Unnamed Fictional Heads of State and Government is for leaders who are only mentioned in passing..." No it isn't. It says that their role is "relegated to a few sentences, and whose names are never revealed." That's a perfectly good description of what VPOTUS-Supervolcano does. TR (talk) 03:25, September 24, 2016 (UTC)
But he is pretty colorful and well developed as a minor character. And he appears for about a page and a half.JonathanMarkoff (talk) 03:29, September 24, 2016 (UTC)
So? "Mentioned in passing" isn't the standard. Basing your argument on that is incorrect. Colorfulness does not justify much of anything. TR (talk) 03:42, September 24, 2016 (UTC)

And undone with the page locked. I think you should have bumped this first for more discussion. I do recall there had been some talk where we disagreed with the idea but I can't seem to located it. Nevertheless, I am not pleased with your actions. This seems to be another case of you trying to "game the system" as you had previously said. Stop it. ML4E (talk) 16:42, September 24, 2016 (UTC)

Locked page[]

This page is locked.Matthew Babe Stevenson (talk) 19:49, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Indeed. I will unlock. Before you make any edits, MBS, I strongly encourage you to read the conversation that led us to lock it in the first place, and contemplate your edits carefully. TR (talk) 01:48, 8 April 2023 (UTC)