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I don't know if we can say Martin is a 17th-century birth. Jerome just says that Martin is under 200 in 1888. He might have been born in the early 18th century.JonathanMarkoff (talk) 20:02, September 14, 2016 (UTC)

Well, I won't argue it since I don't feel strongly one way or the other. However, lets wait and see what everyone else has to say. ML4E (talk) 21:03, September 14, 2016 (UTC)
I suppose that's fair. Being 187 is still under 200. TR (talk) 01:02, September 15, 2016 (UTC)
Yes, there's clealry not enough there to say so definitively. Turtle Fan (talk) 01:19, September 15, 2016 (UTC)
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