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::Oh, I'm sure he's dead. His character arc had reached a point where there really wasn't anything to be done with him that was both believable and interesting, and in a war story having someone get conveniently killed out of nowhere is legitimate, not a cheat as it would be elsewhere. Also, no other POVs died in this one, and there's always someone.
 
::Oh, I'm sure he's dead. His character arc had reached a point where there really wasn't anything to be done with him that was both believable and interesting, and in a war story having someone get conveniently killed out of nowhere is legitimate, not a cheat as it would be elsewhere. Also, no other POVs died in this one, and there's always someone.
   
::I wonder whether HT will replace him with another Spanish character or put the new pair of eyes somewhere else. Spain's such an unimportant part of this story, Weinberg can surely cover it on his own.
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::I wonder whether HT will replace him with another Spanish character or put the new pair of eyes somewhere else. Spain's such an unimportant part of this story, Weinberg can surely cover it on his own.
   
:::Past HT patterns suggests that a Spanish Nationalist is the logical choice. But the only other developed Nationalists are Delgadillo's sgt (possible), Uribe (dead), and Sanjurjo himself (which could be cool, but strikes me as unlikely).
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:::Past HT patterns suggests that a Spanish Nationalist is the logical choice. But the only other developed Nationalists are Delgadillo's sgt (possible), Uribe (dead), and Sanjurjo himself (which could be cool, but strikes me as unlikely).
   
::::Wasn't Carrasquel part of that ill-fated raid himself? I thought he was. And he really doesn't seem like POV material. I fear HT would need to create someone new ex nihilo. Or maybe introduce him by having Weinberg open TBS and interact with him before handing it off. Kind of like that time Chester Martin captured Reggie Bartlett in a trench raid. Whee.
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::::Wasn't Carrasquel part of that ill-fated raid himself? I thought he was. And he really doesn't seem like POV material. I fear HT would need to create someone new ex nihilo. Or maybe introduce him by having Weinberg open TBS and interact with him before handing it off. Kind of like that time Chester Martin captured Reggie Bartlett in a trench raid. Whee.
   
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:::::Huh? Bartlett and Martin were POVs from the very beginning. [[User:TR|TR]] 19:24, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
:::I think a more likely scenario is the Pomeroy to Pound switch. Again, given HT patterns, it will probably be someone we've already met in a secondary role. That could give us Weinberg's former running buddy, or Jenkins perhaps.
 
   
 
:::I think a more likely scenario is the Pomeroy to Pound switch. Again, given HT patterns, it will probably be someone we've already met in a secondary role. That could give us Weinberg's former running buddy, or Jenkins perhaps.
:::Ideally, it would be a POV we don't have yet, like a Pole, or Chinese guerrilla. Maybe that Slovak comrade of Vaclav's that Vaclav still wonders about in W&E. That could be some foreshadowing on HT's part. [[User:TR|TR]] 18:00, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
 
:::Ideally, it would be a POV we don't have yet, like a Pole, or Chinese guerrilla. Maybe that Slovak comrade of Vaclav's that Vaclav still wonders about in W&E. That could be some foreshadowing on HT's part. [[User:TR|TR]] 18:00, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
::::I'd like to see Vera as a POV, actually. She sort of took over part of one McGill scene, which was far enough outside HT's long-running (and I do mean ''long!'') system that it confused the fuck out of me. From the insight into her psyche that little moment offered, I'd say she is indeed playing him for his millions. [[User:Turtle Fan|Turtle Fan]] 19:07, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
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::::I'd like to see Vera as a POV, actually. She sort of took over part of one McGill scene, which was far enough outside HT's long-running (and I do mean ''long!'') system that it confused the fuck out of me. From the insight into her psyche that little moment offered, I'd say she is indeed playing him for his millions. [[User:Turtle Fan|Turtle Fan]] 19:07, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::Wow, did she ever make a mistake. [[User:TR|TR]] 19:24, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
   
 
::(Actually, I'm still at a loss as to why HT has bothered including it at all.) [[User:Turtle Fan|Turtle Fan]] 16:45, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
::(Actually, I'm still at a loss as to why HT has bothered including it at all.) [[User:Turtle Fan|Turtle Fan]] 16:45, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
   
:::My latest unsupportable theory is that HT came up with the Early WWII idea first, then decided that it would very quickly look like a truncated OTL WWI/WWII mishmash, and so decided to keep Spain in a less than successful bid to keep things interesting. [[User:TR|TR]] 18:00, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
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:::My latest unsupportable theory is that HT came up with the Early WWII idea first, then decided that it would very quickly look like a truncated OTL WWI/WWII mishmash, and so decided to keep Spain in a less than successful bid to keep things interesting. [[User:TR|TR]] 18:00, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
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::::Well, whatever he did was less than successful, that's for sure. Unless the fall of Gibraltar is going to have an effect later (allow the Italians to take Egypt, perhaps?), but it's a long, ''long'' walk for whatever payoff can be had. Italians taking Egypt is about the most earth-shattering development I can possibly imagine. [[User:Turtle Fan|Turtle Fan]] 19:07, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
   
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:::::If Italy were being more aggressive, I'd be expecting that. But we haven't even heard of Abyssinia at this point, much less Italy getting frisky in Egypt. [[User:TR|TR]] 19:24, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, whatever he did was less than successful, that's for sure. Unless the fall of Gibraltar is going to have an effect later (allow the Italians to take Egypt, perhaps?), but it's a long, ''long'' walk for whatever payoff can be had. Italians taking Egypt is about the most earth-shattering development I can possibly imagine. [[User:Turtle Fan|Turtle Fan]] 19:07, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 

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I think that covers him from HW, actually. TR 19:20, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

That it does. He didn't do shit. And I seem to remember his scenes came up in the hopper far less often than most. Turtle Fan 20:05, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

HT really painted himself into a corner with this one, but it was still a shame to have him killed just as he'd found a new lease on life. Turtle Fan 16:08, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

That was my response as well. It's probably worth remembering Hip Rodriguez's adventure with electricity from TVO, but since Delgadillo's adventure with the bomb came at the end of the novel, I think it's a safe assumption that he's dead. Unless HT decides to retread Johnny Got His Gun. TR 16:11, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I'm sure he's dead. His character arc had reached a point where there really wasn't anything to be done with him that was both believable and interesting, and in a war story having someone get conveniently killed out of nowhere is legitimate, not a cheat as it would be elsewhere. Also, no other POVs died in this one, and there's always someone.
I wonder whether HT will replace him with another Spanish character or put the new pair of eyes somewhere else. Spain's such an unimportant part of this story, Weinberg can surely cover it on his own.
Past HT patterns suggests that a Spanish Nationalist is the logical choice. But the only other developed Nationalists are Delgadillo's sgt (possible), Uribe (dead), and Sanjurjo himself (which could be cool, but strikes me as unlikely).
Wasn't Carrasquel part of that ill-fated raid himself? I thought he was. And he really doesn't seem like POV material. I fear HT would need to create someone new ex nihilo. Or maybe introduce him by having Weinberg open TBS and interact with him before handing it off. Kind of like that time Chester Martin captured Reggie Bartlett in a trench raid. Whee.
Huh? Bartlett and Martin were POVs from the very beginning. TR 19:24, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
I think a more likely scenario is the Pomeroy to Pound switch. Again, given HT patterns, it will probably be someone we've already met in a secondary role. That could give us Weinberg's former running buddy, or Jenkins perhaps.
Ideally, it would be a POV we don't have yet, like a Pole, or Chinese guerrilla. Maybe that Slovak comrade of Vaclav's that Vaclav still wonders about in W&E. That could be some foreshadowing on HT's part. TR 18:00, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to see Vera as a POV, actually. She sort of took over part of one McGill scene, which was far enough outside HT's long-running (and I do mean long!) system that it confused the fuck out of me. From the insight into her psyche that little moment offered, I'd say she is indeed playing him for his millions. Turtle Fan 19:07, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
Wow, did she ever make a mistake. TR 19:24, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
(Actually, I'm still at a loss as to why HT has bothered including it at all.) Turtle Fan 16:45, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
My latest unsupportable theory is that HT came up with the Early WWII idea first, then decided that it would very quickly look like a truncated OTL WWI/WWII mishmash, and so decided to keep Spain in a less than successful bid to keep things interesting. TR 18:00, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
Well, whatever he did was less than successful, that's for sure. Unless the fall of Gibraltar is going to have an effect later (allow the Italians to take Egypt, perhaps?), but it's a long, long walk for whatever payoff can be had. Italians taking Egypt is about the most earth-shattering development I can possibly imagine. Turtle Fan 19:07, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
If Italy were being more aggressive, I'd be expecting that. But we haven't even heard of Abyssinia at this point, much less Italy getting frisky in Egypt. TR 19:24, August 4, 2010 (UTC)