Huh, how about that. ML4E (talk) 18:42, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
Deletions[]
All subsections except "The Fillmore Shoggoth" can probably be moved to Musical References in Turtledove's Work.JonathanMarkoff (talk) 07:22, September 15, 2016 (UTC)
- We must have forgotten this.JonathanMarkoff (talk) 06:48, March 6, 2018 (UTC)
- Given that I edited this article the day after your remarks and didn't add the "delete" template, you should conclude that I disagree. If not, then I will explicitly state that I don't think so. ML4E (talk) 18:01, March 6, 2018 (UTC)
Statement from HT[]
HT says here, "I should note here that the band HPL isn’t exactly the real world’s band called H. P. Lovecraft." Should we acknowledge this or ignore it? I would ignore this statement and continue treating the story's band as the real band.Matthew Babe Stevenson (talk) 06:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ignoring the question of historicity altogether is an option, but we can't have a lit comm that definitively says it is the real band when this directly contradicts HT's on-the-record comments. Turtle Fan (talk) 14:46, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Amend the lit com to reflect HT's position. It's how the game of fiction is played when you are using real performers who are still alive at the time the story written. (It's a little different when that person is a politician in a satire.) TR (talk) 15:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, amend the Lit Comm. Also, should the Lit Comm for Howard Phillips be amended? ML4E (talk) 20:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have often noticed that movies often have disclaimers that "all persons are fictitious," even when a movie has historical characters like Louis XIV. Apparently the character is "fictitious" in the sense that the words and deeds of the character are not claimed to be what the historical figure said and did. Is HT's statement simply another example of this? I am assuming the way the musicians are "not exactly the historical figures", or whatever, means that he is not claiming that the real band witnessed an eldritch monster battle in SF in 1968.Matthew Babe Stevenson (talk) 05:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- HT is a California resident, and California has a robust "personality rights" or "right of publicity" framework. People who make a living as performers have more legal "rights" to control how they are depicted in media. In other words, even a fairly obscure rock band like H.P. Lovecraft might be inclined to pick a fight with a reasonably successful author of fiction if he used them as characters in a short work. But if he uses the tried and true approach of analogy and anonymity, then they have essentially no grounds to complain. (I kind of doubt they would anyway, for the same reason Bette Davis actually liked the song "Bette Davis Eyes" as it brought her back to the public's attention. I personally didn't dip into H.P. Lovecraft's catalog, but maybe someone else was curious about their music. TR (talk) 14:59, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've seen historical fiction that prides itself on accuracy disclaim that any resemblance to actual events or persons, living or deceased, is purely coincidental. But that's beside the point. HT has asserted something about his own writing and the lit comm as it stands now directly contradicts him. Even if we think he's dissembling, it's not for us to pick apart his commentary. Turtle Fan (talk) 14:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)