How do you change headings?
As in Fuhrer to Führer.
EoGuy99 07:00, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Click on the Move button at the top of the article. TR 15:43, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't only Admins have that button? Turtle Fan 17:06, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
- Not sure. I've been a mod for so long. TR 17:20, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
- It has been a while, hasn't it. *gazes off into the middle distance as though lost in the memory of a long-ago time* Turtle Fan 22:20, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
"Ready for the Fatherland"[]
I think a RttF table should be created with Hitler and Manstein, followed by a lit comm that "While Manstein is never called a Führer in the text, the Nazi system remains intact under him, suggesting he at least held a nearly identical position," similar to the UK PMs in ItPoME. He can probably have Fuehrer on his category list too, since if it walks, quacks, and swims like a Fuehrer, then it's a Fuehrer.JonathanMarkoff (talk) 23:11, January 27, 2017 (UTC)
- There's no reason to think Manstein called himself Fuhrer. Nor is Mainstein's rule described in sufficient detail to say that his position was identical. It's just as plausible that as a solider, Manstein called himself "Marshal of Germany" or some other thing. TR (talk) 05:28, January 28, 2017 (UTC)
Toxic Spell Dump and the House of Daniel[]
This page is for "Führer of the Greater German Reich", not "office[s] similar to Führer."
The "Leader of Alemainia" is not a "Führer of the Greater German Reich". I realize that there is essentially no difference from the linguistic perspective, but for the political perspective, given what we know about the world of TCotTSD, we can't assume that the Leader position was identical to Führer. Note that we didn't put the King of the Confederated Provinces on the POTUS page, nor the Emperor of Aztecia on the Emperor of Mexico page.
In HoD, it's not clear what office "that noisy fella" holds, because he's literally referenced once as "that noisy fella." We certainly can't say that he holds an office similar to Führer. We don't even know if he actually holds an office.
These two paragraphs should be included in the "See Also" section of the Hitler page. They are more about referencing Hitler the man not the political office he held. TR (talk) 21:29, February 9, 2018 (UTC)
- I had problems with these additions when I first saw them but wanted to think about it before commenting. I agree, the two new paragraphs deal with analogs and do not fit here. The Hitler "See Also" sub-section is appropriate especially since we already have Mezentio of Algarve there. He, too, is a fantasy analog not listed here. ML4E (talk) 22:05, February 9, 2018 (UTC)
bump. Anything to add Turtle Fan? Any defense Jonathan? ML4E (talk) 21:01, February 11, 2018 (UTC)
TWTCE and Shtetl Days[]
I'm thinking in-universe sections could be useful for these stories, because the status of the Fuehrer title at the end of each is very different from OTL, and also from each other.
TWTCE
The title Führer of Germany was created in 1934 for Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler, who already held the office of Chancellor. During the Second World War, mention (or lack thereof) of the Führer's title in official notices carried unspoken implications. E.g., on an occasion on the Eastern Front in 1939, Sgt. Hermann Witt remarked that death notices sometimes said "Fallen for der Führer und Vaterland" while others indicted just "Fallen for the Vaterland".(ref)West and East, pgs. 387-391, HC.
In 1944, the Nazi Party was overthrown in a military coup. Hitler was killed by a bomb, and most Nazi institutions were swiftly dismantled. The Committee for the Salvation of the German Nation took over the German government, with General Heinz Guderian as nominal head of state. Guderian used the official designation of Chairman, and the title Führer fell into immediate disuse.
Shtetl Days
Fuhrer was the title of Germany's head of state from 1934 onwards. In the 2030s, the office retained power over a large part of the world.Matthew Babe Stevenson (talk) 10:57, July 16, 2020 (UTC)
- The bit about TWTCE seems a little cumbersome and should probably be put in-universe.Matthew Babe Stevenson (talk) 09:30, July 17, 2020 (UTC)
- No it isn't. It covers the essential point, i.e. that Hitler was the only Führer and that he was overthrown in 1944, and does so in two sentences. Your proposal is two paragraphs and goes into completely irrelevant points about how the office was perceived. We don't need a TWTPE section. TR (talk) 14:11, July 17, 2020 (UTC)
- I agree. Turtle Fan (talk) 18:36, July 19, 2020 (UTC)