Well all right. He made an edit on a talk page that looked a lot like responding as Jonathan to me, so I assumed.

I was just thinking how nice it will be to have peace and quiet return now that Jonathan's finally blocked. I suppose this led me to jump the gun.

His edit on Talk: Baha/Golden Province does look like Jonathan defending his edit but I think we let it go. While the formatting of the articles created by the two are very similar, it does seem to be a lot of work to be logged on under two user names to edit simultaneously. ML4E (talk) 23:15, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

As long as Matthew doesn't do anything stupid like Jonathan did, I'm perfectly fine of him being here. At least he isn't screwing up constantly like Jonathan used to do, is he? JCC the Alternate Historian (talk) 15:00, May 1, 2019 (UTC)

So he's making a lot of useless lit comms and such, and worse, he admits to being in contact with Jonathan for purposes of continuing his work here. Maybe he's not Jonathan as a sock puppet, but do we really have to put up with him? Would it be such a bad thing to have peace and quiet, and not be completely inundated by unimportant nonsense every time we open recent changes? All of which must be checked because the person who wrote it has a proven record of substandard edits?

Let’s give him a couple of weeks. Just to make sure.

Works for me TR! Oh, by the way Turtle Fan, even if you get rid of the problem, another problem usually takes its place. If a vandal or annoying nuisance (such as Jonathon) gets banned or at the very least just leaves the wiki, another one usually take his or her place, so just be careful. JCC the Alternate Historian (talk) 18:45, May 3, 2019 (UTC)

Yes, clearly. That's the problem with Matthew. He first showed up during one of Jonathan's temp bans. He behaves much like Jonathan. Now two days after we were finally rid of that pest for good, Matthew shows up once again and start editing in Jonathanesque quantities. And openly admits to being in contact with Jonathan and interested in continuing his work. As you say, one nuisance leaves and we get another in his place.

The only thing that stays my hand is the fact that they did "interact" at least once.  It is possible that Jonathan created the alter-ego, and then, seeing the writing on the wall, started playing in multiple accounts.  

While Jonathan seemed more than capable of doing this rather than simply correcing his behavior, I am willing to favor the simpler explanation--it's two different users.

I hope you're right TR. Let's just hope Matthew and Jonathan are two different people who just know each other and are friends and are not the same person. Let us just keep our eyes out just to be on the safe side. JCC the Alternate Historian (talk) 15:00, May 4, 2019 (UTC)

It may be, but I don't think we want Jonathan's friends here either, at least not those who behave in a similar fashion. Just have to wait awhile I guess--but let's not let this one get away.

Ah, thanks.

I don't know why but I was expecting categories to be bracketed at the bottom like they used to be. And Jonathan had fucked with the templates, so it took me a bit of trial and error to figure out how to clean up after him.

And I really was in a hurry to hit him with the banstick. Sure is peaceful without him, isn't it?

Hey, no problem. I'm sorry you won't be around anymore, but you've got to do what you've got to do. That's what I found when I gave up on Doctor Who. Turtle Fan (talk) 07:07, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

Why not go with the standard Goliath (Occupation Duty) instead? We discovered long ago that it's best to standardize.

As far as I can see, its so he doesn't have to cover it with a "|" the way he would with your example. The characters in the story refer to him as Lord Goliath and only in that story which will make it a unique redirect. I've done that a few times myself and that's why I think use of the non-standard form is clever here. It has an intuitive use so I don't mind it. Now the Philistines stuff is another matter. ML4E (talk) 21:28, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

"Lord Goliath" is unique to the story and offers insight to how that ATL's image of Goliath differs from OTL.

The Philistinia(n)(s) stuff is unique to this story as well, making a convenient redirect.

Jonathan: Not so, he held a title in OTL too.

ML4E: Well if you don't mind. I guess I was hasty. Every time Jonathan learns a new trick (adding categories, uploading images, now making redirects) he completely overdoes it. So when I saw this, I figured we should try to nip it in the bud.

Hey Elefuntboy, I remember you! I'm very pleased to hear that you've made good for yourself. I'm not sure whether you're looking to get back into editing for us full time (we could not be happier to have you if that's the case) so either welcome back or thanks for dropping by, whichever is appropriate. :)

well i just picked up a copy of Joe Steele, so look for a few edits coming soon. :) 

Oh yeah? Thanks! I'll have to check it out.

Ah yes, I remember that. You called Giulianni a destroyer of culture or something like that and contrasted him with Beame--who really was a corrupt creep, by the way. I was sure you were wrong and looked for data to prove it, such as comparative numbers of art exhibits and theater productions to open and close in NYC during their respective administrations. No source to which I had easy access kept such information, so I wrote the above instead. That really was a useful Wiki. Turtle Fan (talk) 22:04, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

It was, all the inside jokes still give me a good laugh. Since I like to laugh at myself the Anti-Donut Bias still tickles me. I think I called Beame "the greatest mayor of New York" but was never really serious about it. Was just my affinity for the punk rock scene in New York at the time, not that there's any connection between the two. That would admittedly be like praising LBJ or Nixon because a lot of great rock came out when they were in charge.