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  • I saw you posted a photo of the miner Thomas Cruise. I'm looking to find out who holds the copyright. If you know more about the details of the original source and are happy to pass on the info that would be much appreciated. You can reach me at marnie.wood@raw.co.uk. Best wishes.

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      I don't recall where I got it from. Since we use it under fair use, I never really worried about the copyright. Given that Cruse has been dead for over a century, I'd be surprised if the copyright was still in effect.

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  • Please see Category Talk:Templates#Templates by Story Categories ML4E (talk) 22:39, November 14, 2019 (UTC)

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  • I'd like to propose promoting JCC to admin. He's as active as Jonathan, but unlike Jonathan, he's respectful of the culture of consensus-building we've established here, and also unlike Jonathan, the tasks he sets himself are useful.

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    • TR

      I've been pondering. I'm for it.

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    • ML4E seems to agree as well.

      Before we confer this on him, let's just take a quick look at the effect of having four active admins would have on our decision-making process. Proposed changes would require a 3-1 majority, or 2-1, 2-0, or 1-0 with the corresponding number of abstentions. 2-2 would result in sticking with the status quo. I think the creation of new admins beyond him should require unanimous consent; one objection to promoting someone else would kill that promotion.

      Does that sound right?

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    • TR

      It seems to work for me.

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    • So this is embarrassing. I realized that the drama of Jonathan and Matthew has distracted us from promoting JCC, and just now went to get on with it. And realized I forget how to do so. I hope you remember, or ML4E.

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  • I hate to bother you TR, but I want to ask you something. Turtle Fan and I are having an argument of somesorts on the talk page of the Democratic Presidential Tickets Template and I'd like to hear your opinion of it.

    Turtle Fan and I have been arguing over weather or not John Breckinridge belongs on the template or not due to him running as a "Southern Democrat" in the 1860 US Presidential Election. TF also suggested that we should probably get ML4E and your opinions of this. I already wrote down a similar message on ML4E's wall so now I'm replying to you. Please reply back either here or on the talk page A.S.A.P. By the way, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! :) JCC the Alternate Historian (talk) 19:40, December 24, 2018 (UTC)

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    • It's not exactly as he describes. He found an old request for an edit by Jonathan that I had rejected, and went ahead and did it. I undid it and explained that, as Jonathan has never been made an admin, mine was the only opinion on the talk page that mattered unless you or ML4E wanted to wade in--which you're welcome to do, of course--but I assumed that, if you did want to, you would in your own time. Please don't feel obligated to respond if you're not interested.

      And Merry Christmas.

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  • I'm wondering if this is Johnathan using a different user name? ML4E (talk) 17:18, November 17, 2018 (UTC)

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    • TR

      Granted, but at least you don't create stub articles and expect templates to magically appear.

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    • Or content, for that matter.

      Maybe it's Jonathan we should ban. He's been here for years, and he just doesn't ever get it

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  • Hey TR, thank you for dealing with that annoying troll that went onto my message board yesterday. I appreciate that very much! By the way, you didn't have to remove the message, I actually wanted to reply back to him and tell him that my political ideologies are none of his damn business and to tell him that I hope you like being blocked for a year XD. JCC the Alternate Historian (talk) 14:20, November 4, 2018 (UTC)

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    • TR

      Sure.  (TF deleted)

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    • I deleted, as TR said. (I also went to block but saw it was already taken care of.) Creeps like that take any reply as encouragement.

      As for his year-long ban: I'm certain he doesn't care. He clearly wasn't someone who was looking forward to making himself a valued member of our team.

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  • Just to add to what I put up earlier -  The Panama Canal Zone was legal territory of the United States until the implementation of the Torrijos–Carter Treaties in 1979 - thus a Race withdrawal from all occupied US territory means a withdrawal from the Panama Canal Zone - not Panama itself - that is a seperate country and thus theirs by right of conquest - but the Canal Zone would be part of the US and thus free from their occupation after the Peace of Cairo - so its based directly on the books and how the US and the Race agreed to end the state of war between them and the terms of the Peace

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    • TR

      No, it is not based on the books. The words "Panama" and "Panama Canal" don't appear in a single volume of the series.  We do not know it's fate, but the map sure suggests it's in Race hands along with the rest of Panama. 

      You can argue your legal definitions, but the Race had the upper hand, and had no obligation to care about who owned the Canal, especially since they handily overran the entire landmass surrounding the Canal.  Moreover, the US had no real way of fighting them in the Canal Zone, since the US was far more focused on fighting in the continental US--you might recall that the Race occupied most of the South and much of the Midwest, including Missouri, Illinois, Kansas and about half of Colorado. A healthy chunk of the country, in other words.

      If anything, giving up the Canal Zone to get the Race out of the US and stop the atomic bombs from falling strikes me as a very good trade.

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  • Removing the edit that I did in WorldWar for Panama as complete speculation is unfounded if you base it on the terms of the Peace of Cairo.  The Race agreed to withdraw from all US territory occupied by them since the invasion.  The Panama Canal Zone was US territory in 1942 - thus if they agreed to withdraw from all US possessions and territories then that includes the Canal Zone.  And considering the importance of it to the US and any attempt to rebuild I highly doubt the US would overlook it.  Turtledove didnt put every detail into his books but its highly doubtful he would have had the US not want the Canal Zone back especially considering the damage to the US east west rail networks.

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    • That's still speculation by our definition.

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    • TR

      This.  If you wish to write about Panama, create a login and use the blog feature.  Do not put it in the articles.  

      Turtledove didn't address Panama or the Canal once in the whole series.  Therefore, we don't, either.  

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    • I haven't read the series but the impression I have about the Peace of Cairo is that the withdrawal of Race occupation forces was from the continental USA and not a more general withdrawal. Based on the map from the books, we have Panama as a Race Colony but the map does not indicate that the Canal Zone remained with the USA. Comments, one way or the other, are therefore speculative. ML4E (talk) 16:48, July 11, 2018 (UTC)

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    • Occam's razor says that the Race got the Canal Zone, but it simply isn't mentioned.

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  • User:MainTour seems to be a stealth advertising campaign rather than a real user. What do you think? At the very least we need to elete the categories at the bottom. ML4E (talk) 00:06, March 10, 2018 (UTC)

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    • TR

      You're right.  It's an advert.  Let's delete and block.  

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  • Hi, TR!

    The Harry Turtledove Wiki was included in the now-retired Book wiki footer. A new author footer has been created, and I was wondering if I could place it on the main page, since this site meets all the new requirements for inclusion.

    Best regards,

    Raylan

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