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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 4 June 2018
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Secretary of the Interior of the United States (just to see it)

The United States Secretary of the Interior is the head of the United States Department of the Interior, founded in 1849. The Department of the Interior oversees such agencies as the Bureau of Land Management, the United States Geological Survey, and the National Park Service. The Secretary also serves on and appoints the private citizens on the National Park Foundation board. The Secretary is a member of the President's Cabinet and is eighth in the presidential line of succession.

While the Department of the Interior hasn't been front and center in Harry Turtledove's work, he has been known to make fictional use of it.


Some of the dates listed above are estimates. See also Inconsistencies in Turtledove's Work#Inconsistencies in Southern Victo…


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Weird Alternate/Future History Dreams and Thoughts

Has anyone ever had any weird alternate/future history dreams or thoughts they would like to share?


  • 1 The YK2 Series
  • 2 Alta California-ay Series
  • 3 Various Other Dreams
    • 3.1 Christian Fundamentalist Dream
    • 3.2 Myself as a Dictator/President of the USA


My first alternate history dream (or more like a series of dreams about the same topic) that I'll partly share was called Y2K. The alternate history dream's Point of Divergence occurred on December 31, 1999/January 1, 2000 was about the Y2K Bug actually happening and the new millennium starting off with a huge bang! Millions to billions dead by morning with nukes destroyed most major cities around the world. The US Government was likely screwed since Washington, DC was hit hard by nukes. We survivors didn'…



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TR TR 2 June 2018
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Secretary of Defense of the United States (rescued from obscurity)

The Secretary of Defense is the principal defense policy adviser to the President of the United States and is responsible for the formulation of general defense policy and policy related to all matters of direct concern to the Department of Defense, and for the execution of approved policy. Under the direction of the President, the Secretary exercises authority, direction and control over the Department of Defense. The Secretary of Defense is a member of the President's Cabinet and of the National Security Council.

The office of Secretary of Defense replaces the now-defunct office of the Secretary of War, which was a position in every presidential cabinet from 1789 until 1947. In 1789, the Secretary of War oversaw both the United States Army …

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 31 May 2018
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Heads of State of Mexico (just to see what it looks like)

The Head of State in Mexico is the person who controls the executive power in the country. Under the current constitution, this responsibility lies with the President of the United Mexican States, who is head of the supreme executive power of the Mexican Union. Throughout its history, Mexico has had several forms of government. Under the federal constitutions, the title of President was the same as the current. Under the Seven Laws (centralist), the chief executive was named President of the Republic. In addition, there have been two periods of monarchical rule, during which the executive was controlled by the Emperor of Mexico.

The chronology of the heads of state of Mexico is complicated due to the country's political instability during the 1…

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TR TR 30 May 2018
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Chancellor of Germany (because I want to see what it looks like)

The Chancellor of Germany is the head of government of Germany. In German politics the Chancellor is equivalent to that of a Prime Minister in many other countries.

The office of Chancellor has a long history, stemming back to the Holy Roman Empire. The title was at times used in several states of German-speaking Europe. The modern office of Chancellor was established with the North German Confederation, of which Otto von Bismarck became Chancellor in 1867. After the Unification of Germany in 1871, the office became known in German as Reichskanzler, although it continued to be referred to as Chancellor in English.

With the collapse of the empire in 1918, a republic, known as the Weimar Republic, was formed, with a presidential office replacing th…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 11 May 2018
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Sultan of the Ottoman Empire (for my amusement)

The Sultans of the Ottoman Empire (Turkish: Osmanlı padişahları), sometimes referred to by outsiders as the "Grand Turk,", were all members of the Ottoman dynasty (House of Osman), which ruled over the transcontinental empire from its perceived inception in 1299 to its dissolution in 1922. At its height, the Ottoman Empire spanned an area from Hungary in the north to Yemen in the south, and from Algeria in the west to Iraq in the east. Administered at first from the city of Bursa, the empire's capital was moved to Edirne in 1363 following its conquest by Murad I, and then to Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453 following its conquest by Mehmed II. The capture of Istanbul was the end of the Byzantine Empire, and henceforth the Sultans added "Empe…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 8 April 2018
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Governor of New York (for my amusement)

The Governor of the State of New York is the chief executive of the U.S. state of New York. The governor is the head of the executive branch of New York's state government and the commander-in-chief of the state's military and naval forces.

Harry Turtledove has fictionalized the New York Governorship as follows.


  • 1 Joe Steele
  • 2 Southern Victory
    • 2.1 Literary comment
  • 3 Other Governors
  • 4 Historical Governors in non-gubernatorial roles


Only two Governors are identified:


  • Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democrat) is Governor from January 1929 until July 1932, when he is killed in an arson fire. This happens identically in both the novel and the short story. He was probably succeeded by Lt. Gov. Herbert H. Lehman, but this is not stated.

  • Thomas Dewey (Republican) is incum…



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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 26 March 2018
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Byzantine Emperor (for my amusement)

The office of Emperor of the Roman Empire in the East (retroactively renamed Emperor of the Byzantine Empire) was never formally created, but instead gradually "spun off" from the leadership position of the original Roman Empire. In 330, Roman Emperor Constantine I moved his capital to Constantinople, the city formerly known as Byzantium, which remained the seat of power of the Eastern Empire after the schism with the Western subdivision. The Byzantine Emperors all claimed rulership of "the Romans" until Constantinople's fall to the Ottoman Empire in 1453 AD. The title of all Byzantine Emperors until the reign (610-641) of Herakleios, was officially "Augustus," although other titles such as Dominus were also used. Their names were preceded …

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 26 March 2018
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Roman Emperor (for my amusement)

The Roman Emperor was the ruler of the Roman Empire during the imperial period (starting in 27 BC). The emperors used a variety of different titles throughout history, usually Augustus or Caesar. Another title often used was imperator, originally a military honorific. Early Emperors also used the title princeps (first citizen). Emperors frequently amassed republican titles, notably Princeps senatus, Consul, and Pontifex Maximus.

The legitimacy of an emperor's rule depended on his control of the army and recognition by the Senate; an emperor would normally be proclaimed by his troops, or invested with imperial titles by the Senate, or both. The first emperors reigned alone; later emperors would sometimes rule with co-Emperors and divide adminis…

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TR TR 9 March 2018
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Heads of State of Spain (because I have work I'm trying to avoid)

This blog contains the heads of state of Spain (in its various forms) that appear as characters in the works of Harry Turtledove. They may or may not hold the office of head of state in a given Turtledove work.

Throughout most of its history, Spain has been a monarchy. The foundation for the unification of the modern state of Spain began in the late 15th Century by the marriage of Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile, and the subsequent reconquest of the Iberian Peninsula from the Moors, with the final victory being achieved in 1492. The final unification came with the ascension of Charles I in 1516, who ruled over what came to be seen as Spain's Golden Age. The Hapsburg line ended with Charles II in 1700, and the Bourbon dynasty …

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TR TR 4 March 2018
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United States Secretary of State (because it continues to amuse me)

The Secretary of State, appointed by the President of the United States with the advice and consent of the Senate, is the President's chief foreign affairs adviser. The Secretary carries out the President's foreign policies through the State Department and the Foreign Service of the United States.

In addition, the Secretary of State retains domestic responsibilities that Congress entrusted to the State Department in 1789. These include the custody of the Great Seal of the United States, the preparation of certain presidential proclamations, the publication of treaties and international acts as well as the official record of the foreign relations of the United States, and the custody of certain original treaties and international agreements. …

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 3 March 2018
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Speaker of the US House of Representatives (for my amusement)

The Speaker of the House is the presiding officer of the U.S. House of Representatives. The office is permitted by Article 1, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, although the actual process for selecting the Speaker comes from rules adopted by the House, rather than the Constitution. Generally, the Speaker is elected from the majority party in the House. The Speaker is second in the United States presidential line of succession, after the Vice President of the United States.


  • 1 Southern Victory
    • 1.1 Literary comment
  • 2 Other Speakers
  • 3 Historical Speakers in non-Speaker roles
  • 4 Confederate States Speaker of the House


During the Remembrance Era in United States history, from the 1880s to the 1910s, the office of Speaker of the House was monopolized…



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TR TR 25 February 2018
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Chief Justice of the US (for my amusement)

The Chief Justice of the United States is the highest judicial officer in the United States and is the head of the Judicial Branch of the Federal government (consisting of the Federal court system as well as the Administrative Office of the United States Courts, whose director the Chief Justice appoints).

The Chief Justice is a justice of the United States Supreme Court, over which he presides. The other justices, called Associate Justices, enjoy considerable benefits based on seniority, including the right to assign the writing of an opinion in a majority if they are the senior justice in that majority. However, the Chief Justice automatically outranks all other justices on the court in this matter as well as in less substantive perks of sen…

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TR TR 18 February 2018
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Heads of State of Russia (for my amusement)

While the modern state of Russia was formed 1547, many historians consider the various monarchies that existed prior to 1547 when discussing a Russian "monarchy". These include the Princes of Novgorod, the Grand Princes of Kiev, the Grand Princes of Vladimir, and the Grand Princes of Moscow. It was under the Grand Princes of Moscow that a true Russian state was unified in 1547, with Ivan IV the Terrible proclaiming himself the Tsar of all the Russias. Peter the Great proclaimed Russia an empire in 1721, and successfully made Russia into a European power. The monarchy was overthrown during the Russian Revolution in 1917, and the reigning emperor, Nicholas II and his immediate family were executed in 1918.

Russia was briefly an independent rep…

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TR TR 11 February 2018
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FLOTUS (for my amusement)

The First Lady of the United States is the official hostess of the White House, with ultimate responsibility for overseeing protocol at all White House functions. (In alternate history timelines where the seat of the Presidency is not the White House, we can assume that the First Lady performs the same function wherever the President does sit.) In recent years, it has also become customary for the First Lady to advocate on behalf of social initiatives, usually of a politically non-controversial nature. The position of First Lady is unpaid, and tradition prohibits a First Lady from being gainfully employed while she holds the post, for fear of an employer or contractor attempting to use her salary to influence the President.

Throughout America…

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TR TR 25 December 2017
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Monarch of England (for my amusement)

The Monarchy of England is generally traced back to Alfred the Great (849-899), the king of Wessex, one of several kingdoms in what is now called England. After asserting Wessex's dominance over rival kingdom Mercia, Alfred proclaimed himself "King of the English". His grandson, Æthelstan, was the first monarch to reign over a unified England. However, he retained the title "King of the English".

In 1066, William, Duke of Normandy successfully conquered the entirety of England. He ruled as the "King of the English". King John appears to have changed the title to "King of England". In the centuries that followed the Norman conquest, the role of the monarchy was defined and expanded. In 1542, Henry VIII was proclaimed King of Ireland. In 1603, …

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TR TR 12 November 2016
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Heads of State of Germany (more playing)

The head of state of Germany has changed at various times since the unification of the German Empire in 1871. The first head of state was the Emperor (Kaiser). After the Germany Empire collapsed, the Weimar Republic was formed, with the Reichspräsident ("President of Germany" in English) replacing the emperor as the German head of state. While the Weimar Constitution created a parliamentary republic, the president could dismiss the chancellor and the cabinet, even if they enjoyed support in the Reichstag. The president could also appoint a chancellor without parlimentary support.  These powers, combined with the general instability of the Republic overall, resulted in a very powerful presidency.

In 1933, Adolf Hitler attained the office of c…

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TR TR 12 November 2016
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Head of State of France (playing around)

Throughout the majority of its history, France has been a monarchy and is generally considered to have begun with the Frankish Kingdom in 486. In 1792, Louis XVI was overthrown, and the First Republic was established. Executive authority shifted to a number of bodies throughout the First Republic, finally ending in the Consulate, which fell to the First Empire of Napoleon Bonaparte (who'd previously become Consul for Life) in 1804. Napoleon was overthrown in 1814, and made an ultimately unsuccessful bid to regain the crown the following year. In the meantime, the House of Bourbon was restored.

The Bourbon Restoration lasted until the so-called July Monarchy of 1830, when Louis-Phillipe I displaced Charles X and proclaimed himself "Monarch o…

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Mr Nelg Mr Nelg 18 July 2015
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'Roo in the Snow

Here's something I never thought to see.

To answer this question, the east coast of Australia is in the grip of an Antartic Vortex.

In plane English...  IT'S BLOODY COLD DOWN HERE!!!

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Zhukov15 Zhukov15 2 May 2013
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The Reconstruction Era

The Reconstruction Era

After the Second Great War,or as it is known in these modern times:GW2,the defunct CSA was decimated.Most cities and towns(like Richmond and Lexington)were heavily damaged.A whole generation of men were lost in the fighting.The Negro population were horrendously reduced by the genocidal policies of Jake Featherston. In other words,the South was in tatters.

And so,the Democratic US president Harry Truman(lead the country from 1948 to 1950) was the first one to start the rebuilding of the South...in the image of the US.Truman realized the South must be developed again to truly join the US of A.Without this visionary man,the process to allow people in the South for the US Congress and full-fledged citizens of the US would…

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Zhukov15 Zhukov15 12 April 2013
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How is Turtledove is betraying us!

Why I think Turtledove Is betraying his loyal Readership Turtledovians of the world,revolt!You have nothing to lose but your boredom!

Hi,I'm Zhukov15 and I'm here to tell the truth.Truth is,Turtledove is betraying us.How you may ask.By neglecting Southern Victory.Ever since I finished Settling Accounts,I am hungering for more.But more isn't coming.For some reason,Turtledove hasn't continued the series like he should have,which would have garnered him more recognition.I know most of you are gonna disagree with me but SV is the work that makes the most of readers want more!But he isn't obliging them!Why you may ask again.Because he paying more attention to upstart new series.In my eyes,that is a serious betrayal.

We all know the series ends wit…

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Zhukov15 Zhukov15 2 March 2013
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The Truth

Hi I was wondering if any of you when the latest turtledove book is coming out.

July 23, 2013. TR (talk) 00:00, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
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Thelaughingvamps Thelaughingvamps 16 November 2012
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how the book should conyinue after H. Turltledove stops writing

so as it says in the title, how do you think this should continue, so comment, i know there isnt a lot of people on this wiki, but tell me your ideas, i might be able to make fan fiction with them

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Srini Srini 29 June 2012
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Blacks in The South from 1944

Around 90% of the Blacks still left in The South (then CSA) in 1941 were killed during the war. A few thousand Blacks were actually still living in Richmond when the US army took over the city in 1944. Most Blacks who survived the war in exile decided to remain abroad; however, a small number returned to The South. Additionally, approximately 15,000 Blacks survived the concentration camps or survived by going into hiding. The overwhelming majority wished to emigrate and lived in US-administered refugee camps, remaining isolated from The Southern society. After 1947, most left The South; however, 10,000 to 15,000 remained, forming the basis of a new Black community. In 1950 they founded their unitary representative organization, the Central…

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Drgyen Drgyen 16 January 2012
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Worldwar: Discovering the Balance

Here's another fanfic based on the Worldwar series: Worldwar: Discovering the Balance. This takes in the Stargate Universe in which the Race were 60 years late in arriving to Earth, but the invasion is fortunately averted as SG-1 with Asgard-based spaceships engaged Atvar at gunship diplomacy. In which SG-1 negotiated for the Race to leave Earth alone and settle another desert-like planet discovered by Stargate Command or their home planet is nuked with energy weapons from orbit.

I really love the scenario of the story as to what if the Race had to deal with modern day Earth, in this case the Stargate Earth. Instead of outright destroying the Race, Earth's various governments decide not to and be simply "neighbors" with the Race, and a lengt…

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Drgyen Drgyen 16 January 2012
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Worlds at War

Last year, I read a AH story on Fanfic.com and posted on the Spacebattle forum and http://counter-factual.net, which pokes a crossover with Worldwar with SM Stirling's Domination of the Draka and John Ringo's Legacy of the Aldenata series. It takes with the Lizards having their ass kicked hard with the much more technological prowess of humankind and the notorious Domination of Draka during WW2 and finally evicted in the 1960s thanks to a Draka-made biological virus laced in ginger. By the 21st Century, the story picks up with the Legacy of the Aldenata series with humanity offered by the Galactic Federation (in which they had also had approach the "Race") in fighting against aggressive and locust-like aliens known as the Posleen.

Personally I …

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TR TR 29 July 2011
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Playing with presidents

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ML4E ML4E 28 March 2011
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Canadian Federal Election 2011

Might want to continue the discussion here. ML4E 04:28, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, good idea.
So if I'm reading your last description correctly, the Bloc controls enough votes that anyone who doesn't have a majority government needs to include them in the equation, and that means making overtures. But if a leader gets too cozy with the Bloc, Anglophone voters will punish his party?
Actually, if the Bloc is so committed to seperatism, how does it have MPs at all? Don't they need to take an oath of allegiance to the crown? The nearest equivalent I can think of in the Commonwealth is Sinn Fein: However many seats they win (five in last year's election) remain vacant because they will not swear their loyalty to a nation they are desperate to ge…
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Drgyen Drgyen 27 November 2010
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Is H.T. overusing alliteration and metaphors in many of his works?

I have to put this topic up given the crap-load of that TD has been using throughout his work. So give a comment on rather TD's writings amuses you or annoy the hell out of you and think that he is going senile like a "grand pappy" reminiscing on old "wise" sayings.


UPDATE 11/21/2012

Here's some mediocre liners from Supervolcano I found on Goodreads.com.:

It didn't feel too cold once he got used to it. He'd been in pools that were worse. What it would feel like come February was bound to be a different question, but it wasn't February, thank god.

He muttered a stream of obscenities as he went. Maybe they were what made his breath smoke. More likely, it was just the cold.

"Those trees weren't down two years ago," larry said in a voice that brook…

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Drgyen Drgyen 27 November 2010
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Is H.T. a old pervert?

I'm posting this because HT keeps having SEX in many of his works. And I want comments on how you think about it.--Drgyen 00:18, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

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Historygeek1 Historygeek1 5 May 2010
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Continuation of Atlantis

I just finished the third book Liberating Atlantis, thus completing the trilogy. I'm not sure if anyone will agree witth me, but I believe the series thus far holds great promise. What the series is to me is not so much a timeline of a mythical 8th continent, but the legacy of a famous family. Edward Radcliffe helped found the first settlement in Atlantis. Richard Radcliffe killed the Earl of Warwick (a.k.a. the "King" of Atlantis). Red Rodney Radcliffe was one of the most feared pirates of Avalon. William Radcliff ended the Golden Age of Piracy once and for all by sacking Avalon and killing Red Rodney. Victor Radcliff helped the English win the French and Spanish War, and later led the Atlanteans to victory in the Atlantean War of I…

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Historygeek1 Historygeek1 12 March 2010
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Continuation of Southern Victory

Personally, I really enjoyed the Timeline 191, or Southern Victory, series by Harry Turtledove. My favorite segments of the series were the Great War trilogy and Settling Accounts quadrilogy (That is the correct term, right? Quadrilogy?) However, as much as I enjoyed the series, I'd like to see where Mr. Turtledove takes it from here. We end the series with a sort of Cold War between Germany, the United States, and Japan. But what will be the result? A war in which two of the powers team up to conquer the other, or will it remain a three-way Cold War? Not to mention the new situation in North America. What will be the result of suddenly ending over 80 years of independence for the Confederate States of America? Obviously it will be a…

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