TR TR 8 June

British Emperor of India

Emperor or Empress of India was a title used by British monarchs from 1 May 1876 (with the Royal Titles Act 1876) to 22 June 1948 to signify their sovereignty over the Indian Empire as its imperial head of state. The title was abolished on 22 June 1948, with the Indian Independence Act 1947, under which George VI made a royal proclamation that the words "Emperor of India" were to be omitted in styles of address and from customary titles. This was almost a year after he became the titular head of the newly partitioned and independent dominions of India and Pakistan in 1947. These were abolished upon the establishment of the Republic of India in 1950 and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in 1956.

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Fictional Sailing Ships in Turtledove's Work

While Harry Turtledove's historical and allohistorical fiction features many sailing vessels that existed in history - e.g., the RMS Titanic and the USS Yorktown. In addition, Turtledove has created numerous fictional ships to serve as primary setting or brief plot devices in numerous stories.

Some of the following vessels only appear briefly in their stories, or are only referenced. Others are significant settings, but cannot be written about in-universe, beyond noting that the POV characters sailed on said ship at a certain time.

Ships whose in-universe articles require sufficient length should be given their own pages.

  • 1 Atlantis
    • 1.1 Aigle d'Argent
      • 1.1.1 Note
    • 1.2 Amzer Gaer
    • 1.3 Augustus Caesar
  • 2 References

The Aigle d'Argent (French for "silver eagle") wa…

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DaDragonSavage DaDragonSavage 29 September 2023

War of Ukrainian Aggression

"The editors of this wiki commend the Ukrainians' acts of heroism in the strongest possible terms and look forward to inevitable Russian defeat."

Lmao. At this point I'm actually starting to root for Ukraine because these dorks have made the war such an important part of their lives that when Ukraine loses, they would just be mentally unable to take it and will probably kill themselves. Nah, who am I kidding? These mindless drones will just shill for whatever the next current thing the MSM tells them to and they'll forget all about Ukraine.

The Unpopular but Correct Take on Ukraine, Russia, & American Decline | John Doyle

The Philosophy of Vladimir Putin

RFK Jr. Explains Ukraine, Bio-Labs, and Who Killed His Uncle | Tucker Carlson

Into the Abyss…

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Matthew Babe Stevenson Matthew Babe Stevenson 9 July 2023

Minor Fictional Literary Works in Turtledove's Work

The works of Harry Turtledove and Laura Frankos feature references to other works of literature, music, and performing arts from the real world - e.g., Hamlet, Gone with the Wind, Triumph of the Will, etc. However, they also feature numerous fictional books, movies, and other works, particularly in alternate history stories, or works set in the future. While some of these fictional products are crucial to the plot of a given work, most are passing references meant simply to provide momentary background color to a fictional world, often serving as inside jokes.

In-universe writing is not required, especially in cases where there is simply not enough information provided.

A series of works published by John James Audubon, cataloguing sketches o…

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Matthew Babe Stevenson Matthew Babe Stevenson 11 May 2023

Precedents for Presidents

This is my blog for ready-made data on Presidents which Harry Turtledove hasn't gotten to yet, and speculation on Presidential matters.

Some Vice Presidents, and other individuals with close presidential connections, are also listed here.

  • 1 Martin Van Buren
  • 2 John Tyler
  • 3 Zachary Taylor
  • 4 Millard Fillmore
  • 5 Franklin Pierce
  • 6 Chester Alan Arthur
    • 6.1 See also
  • 7 Grover Cleveland
    • 7.1 See also
  • 8 William McKinley
    • 8.1 See also
  • 9 Charles Fairbanks
  • 10 James Sherman
  • 11 Thomas R. Marshall
  • 12 See also
  • 13 Charles G. Dawes
  • 14 See also
  • 15 Charles Curtis
    • 15.1 See also
  • 16 Nelson Rockefeller
  • 17 Dan Quayle
  • 18 Joe Biden
    • 18.1 See also

Martin Van Buren (December 5, 1782 – July 24, 1862) was an American lawyer and statesman who served as the eighth President of the United States from 1837 to 1841. A primary f…

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TR TR 18 April 2023

Lines of succession in Worldwar

President Franklin D. Roosevelt died in the spring of 1944, just a few months before the Peace of Cairo ended the war with the Race. Vice President Henry Wallace had been killed in January of that year, when the Race's explosive-metal bomb destroyed Seattle while Wallace was visiting. Then-Secretary of State Cordell Hull succeeded Roosevelt per the Presidential Succession Act of 1886.

While the Race evacuated from U.S. territory quickly after the terms of the Peace of Cairo were ratified, the Federal government turned its attention to the elections scheduled for November, 1944, including the presidential election. Elections had not been held anywhere in 1942 and 1943. As a result, no one really contemplated holding elections when 1944 began.…

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TR TR 17 April 2023

Rulers of Croatia (for my curiosity)

  • Joseph II, Holy Roman Emperor (King of Croatia)
  • Franz Joseph I of Austria (King of Croatia)
  • Charles I of Austria (King of Croatia)
  • Peter I of Serbia (King of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes)
  • Ante Pavelić (as Poglavnik of Croatia
  • Unnamed Poglavnik of Croatia (In the Presence of Mine Enemies)
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TR TR 16 April 2023

Heads of the Czech State (to see what it looks like)

  • Saint Wenceslas (Duke of Bohemia)
  • Joseph II, Holy Roman Emperor (King of Bohemia)
  • Franz Joseph I of Austria (King of Bohemia)
  • Charles I of Austria (King of Bohemia)

  • Emil Hácha
  • Klement Gottwald
  • Václav Havel

  • Václav Havel
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Turtle Fan Turtle Fan 16 December 2022

Happy Holidays

Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and all the rest. I'll be traveling as of tonight and will only have access to mobile devices for the next couple weeks. Since I find this site to be nearly unusable in that format, do not expect to see me again till after the holidays are over.

Thank you all for yet another great year. Whenever I stumble onto a comment I made a very long time ago on a talk page, or a particularly old article pops up for some reason, I'm often reminded of the many ways in which my life has drastically changed then drastically changed again since it was originally written. Participating in this project is arguably the single most stable fixed point in my adult life.

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Matthew Babe Stevenson Matthew Babe Stevenson 24 October 2022

Two Prophets (test)

The religion of the Two Prophets was the dominant religion of the eastern world. The religion was divided into two branches, each placing greater emphasis on either prophet, but not excluding the other.

  • 1 The Goddess
  • 2 Zibeon
  • 3 Customs
  • 4 References

The Goddess was the deity of this religion.

Her Scriptures originated in ancient Lokris. Legend says that the Goddess learned Lokrian so She could write the Scriptures, but she did not learn the language very well.

In any country but Lokris, people read the Scriptures in their own language. In Lokris itself, people read the Scriptures in the ancient tongue. A year or so before the War of the Kingdoms, someone published a translation of the Scriptures into modern Lokrian, a heresy which led to bloody riots in …

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TR TR 13 August 2022

Playing with general secretaries

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TR TR 3 August 2022

Historical People in 3MD

I'm just putting this here for future reference:

Dale Neuwirth=Dale Nielsen

Dave Shoals=Dave Sharp

John P.=John Parangosky

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TR TR 24 May 2022

Lines of succession in Southern Victory

  • 1 Empire of Brazil
  • 2 Confederate States of America
  • 3 France
    • 3.1 Head of State of France
    • 3.2 Head of Government of France
  • 4 German Empire
    • 4.1 German Chancellor
  • 5 Second Empire of Mexico
  • 6 Second Kingdom of Poland
  • 7 United Kingdom
    • 7.1 Prime Minister
  • 8 United States of America

While Dom Pedro II was still very popular in 1889, he himself was in poor health and increasingly weary of the imperial system. Moreover, various factions among elite citizens had come to believe that a republic ruled by a dictator would be a superior system. Conservative were still angry that they were not compensated for the abolition of slavery in 1888. Others were horrified by the prospect that Pedro's daughter Isabel would succeed him; aside from the obvious misogyny, Isabel's husband was…

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TR TR 22 May 2022

Lines of succession in The Two Georges

  • 1 The Holy Alliance
    • 1.1 France
    • 1.2 Spain
    • 1.3 Personal Union of France and Spain (Holy Alliance)
  • 2 Russia

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TR TR 26 April 2022

Confederate Presidential Nominees

  • 1 The Guns of the South
  • 2 Southern Victory
  • 3 Pre-Second Mexican War (1861-1881)
  • 4 Second Mexican War-Great War (1881-1917)

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TR TR 9 April 2022

Emperors of Austria

The Emperor of Austria (German: Kaiser von Österreich) was the ruler of the Austrian Empire and later the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Holy Roman Emperor Francis II proclaimed the Empire of Austria in 1804 as the Holy Roman Empire began its final dissolution. He became the first emperor, holding the title until his death in 1835. While Austria also ruled Hungary, Austro-Hungarian Compromise of 1867 dictated that the Kingdom of Hungary and the Empire of Austria were two separate entities joined together on an equal basis to form the Dual Monarchy of Austria-Hungary. The Austrian emperor also served as king of Hungary. The dual office was informally called the "Austro-Hungarian Emperor". After the Dual Monarchy surrendered at the end of World War …

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TR TR 9 April 2022

Monarch of Italy (rescued from obscurity)

King of Italy (Italian: Re d'Italia; Latin: Rex Italiae) was the title given to the ruler of the Kingdom of Italy after the fall of the Western Roman Empire. The first to take the title was Odoacer, a barbarian military leader, in the late 5th century, followed by the Ostrogothic kings up to the mid-6th century. With the Frankish conquest of Italy in the 8th century, the Carolingians assumed the title, which was maintained by subsequent Holy Roman Emperors throughout the Middle Ages. The last Emperor to claim the title was Charles V in the 16th century. During this period, the holders of the title were crowned with the Iron Crown of Lombardy.

A Kingdom of Italy was restored from 1805 to 1814 with Napoleon as its only king, centered in Northern…

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TR TR 25 July 2021

Byzantine Emperors (Rescued from Obscurity)

The office of Emperor of the Roman Empire in the East (retroactively renamed Emperor of the Byzantine Empire) was never formally created, but instead gradually "spun off" from the of the original Roman Empire. In 330, Roman Emperor Constantine I moved his capital to Constantinople, the city formerly known as Byzantium, which remained the seat of power of the Eastern Empire after the schism with the Western subdivision. The Byzantine Emperors all claimed rulership of "the Romans" until Constantinople's fall to the Ottoman Empire in 1453 AD. The title of all Byzantine Emperors until the reign (610-641) of Herakleios, was officially "Augustus," although other titles such as Dominus were also used. Their names were preceded by Imperator Caesar …

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ML4E ML4E 7 April 2021

Stay-At-Home Order - April 2021

Well it looks like we are having another major lock-down in Ontario. Effective midnight, everyone is to stay home unless you are an essential worker required to work outside of your home and to make essential purchases (food medicine, etc.) On the other hand, non-essential purchases can be made online and picked up curb-side. Go figure.

In any case, I will be off-line until May. Hopefully, this wiill be the last one since the Province hopes to have 40% of the population vaccinated by then, especially in work and residential hot-spots. Take care all!

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TR TR 27 February 2021

Monarchs of Persia/Iran (rescued from obscurity)

Harry Turtledove has altered the long lived monarchy of Persia, later known as Iran, in several works.

  • 1 Agent of Byzantium
  • 2 "Counting Potsherds"
  • 3 Crosstime Traffic Series
  • 4 Other monarchs
  • 5 See also

The Persian Empire was the Roman Empire's chief rival. It was ruled by the King of Kings, assisted by the Grand Wazir.

Known Kings of Kings:

  • Khosrau II, incumbent in "Departures", set c. 605.
  • Unnamed monarch, whose reign includes 1316 ("Archetypes") and 1320 ("Superwine").

Under Khsrish I the Conqueror, the Persian Empire completely subdued the Yauna. While Persia remained master of the Western world four centuries later, its royal family was not immune to the temptation of kinslaying.

The Iranian monarchy was overthrown in 1979 by the Islamic Republic, whic…

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TR TR 25 January 2021

Speaker of the US House of Representatives (Rescued from obscurity)

The Speaker of the House is the presiding officer of the U.S. House of Representatives. The office is permitted by Article 1, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, although the actual process for selecting the Speaker comes from rules adopted by the House, rather than the Constitution. Generally, the Speaker is elected from the majority party in the House. The Speaker is second in the United States presidential line of succession, after the Vice President of the United States.

  • 1 Southern Victory
    • 1.1 Literary comment
  • 2 Other Speakers
  • 3 Historical Speakers in non-Speaker roles
  • 4 Confederate States Speaker of the House

During the Remembrance Era in United States history, from the 1880s to the 1910s, the office of Speaker of the House was monopolized…

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TR TR 19 January 2021


Not creating a page, just a quick list for my own review.

  • Barbara Bush
  • Karen Pence
  • Bess Truman

  • Flora Blackford
  • Susan Daggett
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ML4E ML4E 23 December 2020

Lock-down Expansion

We have been in a partial lock-down for the last month but cases have been growing. The Provincial Government has announced enhanced measures effective December 26. This will include the shut-down of Public Libraries for 28 days minimum. Since I haven't made alternate arrangements, I will be off line until the end of January at the earliest. I wish each and everyone of you Happy Holidays / Merry Christmas and for a better 2021.

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TR TR 19 December 2020

Miscellaneous US Elections

  • 1 President of the United States
    • 1.1 "The Breaking of Nations"
      • 1.1.1 2020
    • 1.2 Southern Victory
      • 1.2.1 1864
      • 1.2.2 1868 and 1872
      • 1.2.3 1876
      • 1.2.4 1884, 1888, 1892, 1896, 1900, 1904, and 1908
    • 1.3 Worldwar
      • 1.3.1 1960
      • 1.3.2 2020
  • 2 Congressional Elections
    • 2.1 The Hot War
    • 2.2 Joe Steele
    • 2.3 The Man With the Iron Heart
    • 2.4 Southern Victory
    • 2.5 The War That Came Early
    • 2.6 Worldwar
    • 2.7 References

While Harry Turtledove does not depict every presidential election or describe them in sufficient detail to justify articles, he does sometimes provide information about the victor or the loser of a given election, which in turn may be an important detail in the history of a fictional timeline.

Donald Trump won re-election in 2020. He died during the second COVID-19 outbreak in 2024. His vice pre…

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ML4E ML4E 21 November 2020

Lock-down 2.0

As of Monday, Toronto and Peel Region (communities immediately to the west or Toronto) will go into a tighter lock-down for 28 days. Bars and restaurants will be restricted to only pick-up and delivery. Stores, aside from essentials like grocery and drugstores, will no longer allow people inside. Online and phone orders will allow for curbside pick-up. Barbers, hair salons etc. will be closed.

For me, I still haven't set up home internet and am using the public library. Apparently, all branches will be closed Monday and Tuesday to reorganize their layouts but will have computer access as of Wednesday so I will be back shortly. If you do not hear from me, it may be due to a change in this with little warning.

I am skeptical about the length o…

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TR TR 18 November 2020

US Reps for my edification

  • 1 California
  • 2 Georgia
  • 3 Illinois
  • 4 Kentucky
  • 5 Louisiana
  • 6 Maine
  • 7 Massachusetts
  • 8 Minnesota
  • 9 Missouri
  • 10 Mississippi
  • 11 Nebraska
  • 12 New Hampshire
  • 13 New Jersey
  • 14 New York
  • 15 North Carolina
  • 16 Ohio
  • 17 Oregon
  • 18 Pennsylvania
  • 19 South Carolina
  • 20 Tennessee
  • 21 Texas
  • 22 Utah
  • 23 Virginia
  • 24 West Virginia
  • 25 Wisconsin

  • Helen Gahagan Douglas
  • Colin McCarty
  • Richard Nixon
  • Devin Nunes
  • William Rosecrans
  • Jerry Voorhis
  • Sam Yorty

  • Lucius Gartrell
  • Julian Hartridge
  • Alexander Stephens

  • Everett Dirksen
  • Stephen Douglas
  • Stephen A. Hurlbut
  • Abraham Lincoln
  • Donald Rumsfeld

  • Alben Barkley
  • John Breckinridge
  • Fred Vinson

  • John Slidell

  • James G. Blaine
  • Daniel Gooch
  • Hannibal Hamlin
  • Edward C. Moran Jr.
  • Thomas Reed

  • John Quincy Adams
  • Benjamin Butler
  • Jim Curley
  • Edward Everett
  • John F. Kennedy
  • Henry Cabot Lodge
  • Joseph W. Martin

  • Harold Knutson
  • Eugene McCarthy

  • C…

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TR TR 15 November 2020

US Senators by State for my edification

  • 1 Alabama
  • 2 Arkansas
  • 3 Arizona
  • 4 California
  • 5 Colorado
  • 6 Connecticut
  • 7 Florida
  • 8 Georgia
  • 9 Idaho
  • 10 Illinois
  • 11 Indiana
  • 12 Kentucky
  • 13 Louisiana
  • 14 Maine
  • 15 Massachusetts
  • 16 Michigan
  • 17 Minnesota
  • 18 Mississippi
  • 19 Missouri
  • 20 Montana
  • 21 Nebraska
  • 22 New York
  • 23 North Carolina
  • 24 Ohio
  • 25 Pennsylvania
  • 26 Rhode Island
  • 27 South Carolina
  • 28 Tennessee
  • 29 Texas
  • 30 Utah
  • 31 Virginia
  • 32 Wisconsin

  • Hugo Black

  • Charles Burton Mitchel

  • Barry Goldwater

  • John C. Frémont
  • Hiram Johnson
  • Richard Nixon

  • Michael Bennet

  • Prescott Bush

  • Stephen R. Mallory

  • Richard Russell

  • William Borah

  • Everett Dirksen
  • Stephen Douglas
  • Barack Obama

  • Benjamin Harrison

  • Alben Barkley
  • John Breckinridge

  • Judah Benjamin
  • Huey Long
  • John Slidell

  • James G. Blaine
  • Hannibal Hamlin
  • Frederick G. Payne

  • John Quincy Adams
  • Edward Everett
  • John F. Kennedy
  • Edward Kennedy
  • Henry Cabot Lodge
  • Henry Cabot Lo…

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ML4E ML4E 13 November 2020

COVID-19 Lock down

Well its Friday the 13th and it looks like Toronto and surroundings maybe headed for another lock down. The last time was Friday March 13th. We had the case numbers down to about a hundred new ones each day in early September so the province began lifting restrictions, including restarting physical Public School classes. Not unexpectedly, the case numbers rose once more to a plateau of about 600 a day which was the peak in the first wave. However, we are doing considerably more test per day (40,000 vs 12-15,000 then) so it wasn't that concerning. The other factor was that hospitalization remained low compared to then (100 vs 1000).

But in the last week the numbers began climbing substantially to 1475 yesterday. We also had a pres conference…

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TR TR 10 November 2020

Of State Govs and such

  • 1 Arkansas
  • 2 California
  • 3 Colorado
  • 4 Connecticut
  • 5 Georgia
  • 6 Hawaii
  • 7 Idaho
  • 8 Illinois
  • 9 Indiana
  • 10 Kansas
  • 11 Kentucky
  • 12 Louisiana
  • 13 Maine
  • 14 Massachusetts
  • 15 Minnesota
  • 16 Mississippi
  • 17 Montana
  • 18 Nevada
  • 19 New Jersey
  • 20 New Mexico
  • 21 New York
  • 22 North Carolina
  • 23 Ohio
  • 24 Oregon
  • 25 Pennsylvania
  • 26 Rhode Island
  • 27 South Category
  • 28 Tennessee
  • 29 Texas
  • 30 Utah
  • 31 Virginia
  • 32 Washington
  • 33 Wisconsin
  • 34 Wyoming

  • Bill Clinton

Category:Governors of California

  • Daniel I.J. Thornton
  • Unnamed Governor of Colorado (Supervolcano)

  • Governor of Connecticut

Category:Governors of Georgia (OTL)

  • Unnamed Governor of Hawaii (The Breaking of Nations)

  • Unnamed Governor of Idaho (Supervolcano)

  • Adlai Stevenson II

  • Mike Pence

  • Alf Landon

  • Ruby Laffoon
  • Beriah Magoffin

  • Huey Long
  • Huey Long's Brothers

  • Hannibal Hamlin
  • Frederick G. Payne

Category:Governors o…

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TR TR 9 November 2020

Lt. Governors

For my own edification.

  • Edward Clark
  • Warren G. Harding
  • Richard Taylor Jacob
  • Miguel Narváez
  • Al Rafferty
  • Davis Lee Vidals
  • Unnamed Lieutenant Governor of Connecticut (The Breaking of Nations)
  • Unnamed Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts (Southern Victory)
  • Unnamed Lieutenant Governor of Nevada (The Breaking of Nations)
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ML4E ML4E 22 February 2020

Color Codes Used

A summary of the various hex color codes by story template.

1 - An attempt at the St. Louis Browns' colors.
2 - Default color until a specific one is assigned.

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JCC the Alternate Historian JCC the Alternate Historian 26 January 2020

My Weird Crypid/Fictional Creatures Dream

A little while ago, I had a interesting dream regarding several crypids and fictional fantasy and folklore animals existing as real animals. The list of animals follows:

  • The Unicorn
  • The Jackalope
  • Sasquatch/Bigfoot/Skunk ape
  • Yeti
  • Chupacabra
  • Lake monsters that are either are or based on the Plesiosaurus (The Loch Ness Monster, the Champ, ect)

  • 1 Unicorns
  • 2 Jackalopes
  • 3 Sasquatch
  • 4 Yeti
  • 5 Chupacabra
  • 6 Lake Monsters

The unicorn in my dream was a domesticated equid much like that of a horse or a donkey, which they coexisted with. They basically were horses with a horn on their heads. Strangely, the hoofs in my dream where inconsistent. Sometimes, they had hooves resembling those of horses and donkeys while other times they had cloven hoofs with an odd number of toe…

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JCC the Alternate Historian JCC the Alternate Historian 27 December 2019

Which of Turtledove's Works Could Be Made Into Movies?

This subject has been buzzing in my head for the past few years guys. If any of Harry Turtledove's were to made into movies, which ones could potentially be the best ones?

Here are some of his works in my opinion that would make some potentially good films.

  • The Southern Victory Series
  • The Worldwar franchise
  • The Guns of the South
  • The Two Georges

--JCC the Alternate Historian (talk) 22:35, December 27, 2019 (UTC)

In all honesty, Hollywood is running out of ideas these days and there is plenty of untapped potential with alternate history books being adapted into films. There's only a couple of examples I can think of when thinking of alternate history working as either a movie or a TV series (Fatherland back in 1994, the Man in the High Castle as a …

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JCC the Alternate Historian JCC the Alternate Historian 24 December 2019

How Jefferson Would've Likely Voted in Past Elections

Geez, I haven't touched my blog in over a year! Well time to add more blog posts again.

I originally posted the "How Jefferson Likely Voted in Past Elections" on the Republican Party talk page, but I was told that my blog would probably be a better spot for it.

Here, I put down how the area composing of Jefferson would have voted in past United States presidential elections looking at election maps of the counties of both California and Oregon. Might not be 100% accurate.

I should note that this represents the area of Jefferson in OTL. I'm not sure how the demographics of Sasquatches and other similar creatures that assimilated into human culture would have voted in Jefferson in past elections.

  • 1920: A landslide win for Warren G. Harding.
  • 1924:…
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Matthew Babe Stevenson Matthew Babe Stevenson 19 December 2019

Van's flashback characters

Throughout the Elabon Series, Van of the Strong Arm narrates tales of his adventures before he met Gerin the Fox. These anecdotes have little relevance to the plot, and often seem like separate stories. In addition, it is suggested that Van is an unreliable narrator, calling the in-universe veracity of these stories into question. Below are a list of characters from Van's flashbacks.

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Matthew Babe Stevenson Matthew Babe Stevenson 11 October 2019

Category: Party Leaders

In a governmental system, a party leader acts as the official representative of their political party. The party leader is typically responsible for managing the party's relationship with the general public. As such, they will take a leading role in developing and communicating party policy, especially election platforms, to the electorate. They are also typically the public face of the respective party and the principal media contact.

In many parliamentary systems, party leaders compete directly for high political office. It is thus typical in such states (e.g., in the Westminster system, which gave rise to the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom) for the party leader to seek election to the legislature, and, if elected, to simultaneously s…

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Matthew Babe Stevenson Matthew Babe Stevenson 15 August 2019

Historical references

These are my proposed additions to References to Historical Figures in Turtledove's Work.

Pierre Gustave Toutant de Beauregard (May 28, 1818 – February 20, 1893), commonly referred to as P.G.T. Beauregard, was an American military officer who was the first prominent general of the Confederate States Army during the American Civil War.

Beauregard won early Confederate victories at Fort Sumter and First Bull Run. He then commanded armies in the Western Theater, including the Battle of Shiloh and the Siege of Corinth, Mississippi. He defended Charleston, South Carolina in 1863 from repeated naval and land attacks by Union forces. His greatest achievement was saving the important industrial city of Petersburg, Virginia, in June 1864, and thus the …

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Matthew Babe Stevenson Matthew Babe Stevenson 7 May 2019

Literary allusions

These are my proposed additions to Literary Allusions in Turtledove's Work.

  • 1 Brothers Grimm
  • 2 The Three Billy Goats Gruff
  • 3 William of Malmesbury
  • 4 References

Jacob Ludwig Karl Grimm (1785–1863) and Wilhelm Carl Grimm (1786–1859), were German academics, philologists, cultural researchers, lexicographers and authors who together collected and published folklore during the 19th century. They were among the first and best-known collectors of German and European folk tales, and popularized traditional oral tale types such as "Cinderella", "The Frog Prince", "The Goose-Girl", "Hansel and Gretel", "Little Red Riding Hood," "Rapunzel", "Rumpelstiltskin", "Sleeping Beauty", and "Snow White". Some of these tales had been written down previously, by authors s…

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Matthew Babe Stevenson Matthew Babe Stevenson 1 May 2019

Minor Fictional Characters in Laura Frankos Short Stories

This article lists the various minor fictional characters who appear in the short fiction of Laura Frankos. These characters are identified by name or profession, but play at best a peripheral role in their respective stories. Most were simply mentioned or had a very brief, unimportant speaking role that did not impact the plot, and never appeared again.

Note: All characters from "Slue-Foot Sue and the Witch in the Woods" are adapted from other works.

Barbara Hatcher was the wife of Benjamin Hatcher. Because she had allergies, Benjamin kept Ptolemy III, his late grandmother's scarlet macaw, at his office.

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 27 April 2019

Detinan Deities

The people of Detina believed that their destiny was interlocked that of several divine beings. Both the indigenous blond people and dark-haired colonists who founded the Kingdom of Detina believed in at least two sets of gods. However, belief was not the same as respect and worship. After the conquest of western Detina, the defeated blonds continued believing in their own gods. Nevertheless, some of them believed that these gods, while truly existing, were weak and unworthy of worship, and began to worship the conquering people's gods instead.

  • 1 Gods of the Blonds
    • 1.1 Death Lord
    • 1.2 Red Lady
  • 2 Gods of the Kingdom of Detina
    • 2.1 Hunt Lady
    • 2.2 Sweet One
    • 2.3 Thunderer
  • 3 Other
    • 3.1 Mount Panamgam
      • 3.1.1 Literary comment
    • 3.2 References

Death Lord was the god of death in …

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 16 January 2019

Visual arts references in Turtledove's Work

Like many authors, Harry Turtledove references the broad impact which painting, drawing, sculpture, and their creators have had on society. Sometimes, these references can give a reader insight into how a particular timeline differs from OTL. Other times, they are more incidental and designed to invoke a specific era or culture. What follows is a list of such references which can be found in Turtledove's body of work, organized by the artist.

Note: As many homages are subtle, they can easily escape the notice of any given reader. Therefore we strongly encourage anyone who has found, or believes he has found, an homage not already on this list, or by an author not represented, to add it.

Jean-Honoré Fragonard (4 April 1732 – 22 August 1806) w…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 27 October 2018

Ruler of India (for my amusement)

India has a millennia-long recorded history, with numerous forms of head of state and government. Since 1950, the head of state has been the President, and since 1947 the Head of Government has been the Prime Minister. Governments prior to 1947 were primarily monarchical, with the Monarch of the United Kingdom doubling as Emperor or Empress of India from 1877 until 1947.

The following individuals ruled India during or after the point of divergence of one of Harry Turtledove's alternate history timelines. Most Turtledove PODs occur when India is a part of the British Empire.

Many stories contain references to rulers who died before the POD. Stories set in the history of OTL may reference the incumbent ruler. These do not belong here.

  • 1 Southern Victo…

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TR TR 19 August 2018

Heads of State of Hungary (rescued from obscurity)

Throughout its history, Hungary has changed its form of government several times.

The Kingdom of Hungary existed from AD 1000 to 1946. It was a power in Central Europe throughout the Middle Ages, but in the 16th Century, part of Hungary was occupied by the Ottoman Empire, a Principality of Transylvania, with Royal Hungary under the reign of the House of Hapsburg.

In 1867, Hungary joined with the Austrian Empire, creating the Austro-Hungarian Empire, with the Austrian Emperor also holding the Hungarian throne. At the end of World War I, the empire collapsed, and Hungary saw a series of abortive republics (including a communist soviet) from 1918 to 1920, until the kingdom was re-established. Ironically, the sole head of state was Miklos Horthy…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 23 July 2018

Rulers of Persia and Iran

Throughout its long history, Persia, later known as Iran, has had a variety of governments, most of them monarchical in nature. Since 1979, Iran has been a republic. The fiction of Harry Turtledove has altered the history and government of Persia aka Iran in numerous ways.

  • 1 Agent of Byzantium
  • 2 "Counting Potsherds"
  • 3 Crosstime Traffic
  • 4 Other rulers
  • 5 Historical rulers in non-ruling roles
  • 6 See also

The Persian Empire was the Roman Empire's chief rival. It was ruled by the King of Kings, assisted by the Grand Wazir.

Known Kings of Kings:

  • Khosrau II, incumbent in "Departures", set c. 605.

  • Unnamed monarch, whose reign includes 1316 ("Archetypes") and 1320 ("Superwine").

Known Grand Wazirs:

  • Unnamed Grand Wazir in 1317, referenced in "Images."

Under Khsrish I th…

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If the Entente Powers Won the Great War in Southern Victory

  • 1 The Topic
  • 2 The Discussion of What Might Happen
    • 2.1 The End of the First Great War
    • 2.2 Peace Treaties and Territory Changes
    • 2.3 Interwar Period (1918-1929)
      • 2.3.1 United States
      • 2.3.2 Confederate States and Canada
      • 2.3.3 The Rest of the World
    • 2.4 The Rise of Gordon McSweeney (1920s-1933)
      • 2.4.1 The Great Depression
    • 2.5 List of US Presidents
    • 2.6 List of CS Presidents
    • 2.7 Possible Maps and Alternate History Topics

In the Southern Victory Series, we already know that the Central Powers (the United States, Germany, Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire) won both the Great War and the Second Great War against the Entente Powers (the Confederate States, the United Kingdom, France and Russia).

However, wasn't it one of Harry Turtledove's original plans to have the US and th…

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States the Republicans Won in Joe Steele (Guesses and Speculation)

In Joe Steele (both the novel and the short story), we obviously already know that Joe Steele would win his six presidential elections by landslide margins. However, we don't always know how many electoral votes and states his rivals got in the elections. So far, going by both the short story and novel, we already know some of the results for the loosing candidates in the six elections. They are:

  • In 1932, Herbert Hoover wins 59 electoral votes from the six states of Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Vermont. The short story mentions the states he won but the novel doesn't go into much detail on that. However, we should assume that Hoover still won the same states as he did in both the short story and OTL.
  • In 1936,…
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Republican Vice Presidential candidates in Joe Steele (Guesses and Speculation)

In the novel Joe Steele, the only two Republican Vice Presidential candidates that are either mentioned or presumed to have served as in OTL. They are Charles Curtis (who presumably served under Herbert Hoover as in OTL and attempted to run as his running mate again in 1932) and Frank Knox (who ran with Alf Landon in 1936 as in OTL).

Since those were the only two Republican Vice Presidential candidates who were mentioned at all, I think we should speculate on could have been the running mates of Wendell Willkie in 1940, Thomas Dewey in 1944, Harold Stassen in 1948 and Robert Taft in 1952.

After having a discussion with TR down in the comment section, we decided to have McNary and Bricker still be the GOP VP candidates to Willkie and Dewey, r…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 10 June 2018

Prime Minister of Canada

The Prime Minister of Canada (French: Premier ministre du Canada) is the primary minister of the Crown, chairman of the Cabinet, and thus Canada's head of government, charged with advising the Canadian monarch or Governor General of Canada on the exercise of the executive powers vested in them by the constitution. Not outlined in any constitutional document, the office exists only as per long-established convention (originating in Canada's former colonial power, the United Kingdom) that stipulates the monarch's representative, the governor general, must select as prime minister the person most likely to command the confidence of the elected House of Commons; this individual is typically the leader of the political party that holds the largest…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 9 June 2018

Governor of California (for shits and giggles)

The Governor of California is the head of government of the U.S. state of California. The California Governor is the chief executive of the state government and the commander-in-chief of the California National Guard and the California State Military Reserve.

Established in the Constitution of California, the governor's responsibilities also include making the annual State of the State address to the California State Legislature, submitting the budget, and ensuring that state laws are enforced. The position was created in 1849, the year before California became a state.

As of this writing, Edmund G. "Jerry" Brown Jr. is the longest-serving governor, surpassing Earl Warren's 10-year tenure in 2013.

Earl Warren is referenced as the incumbent Gove…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 8 June 2018

Attorney General of the United States

The United States Attorney General (A.G.) is the head of the United States Department of Justice per 28 U.S.C. § 503, concerned with all legal affairs, and is the chief lawyer of the United States government. In cases of the federal death penalty, the power to seek the death penalty rests with the Attorney General.

Under Article II Section 2 of the Constitution, the Attorney General is nominated by the President and appointed with the advice and consent of Congress. The Constitution is clear that the Attorney General may be impeached by Congress. As to whether the Attorney General may be summarily removed by the President, no provision of the Constitution grants this power. The decisional law suggests that the President has the power to remov…

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