TR TR 8 September
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Template for my own amusement

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TR TR 7 September
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The Breaking of Nations Templates

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ML4E ML4E 22 February
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Color Codes Used

A summary of the various hex color codes by story template.


Story
Color
Hex Code
After the Downfall

967117
After the Last Elf is Dead

4A1C78
Agent of Byzantium

702963
Alpha and Omega

E63E62
Atlantis

97CD2D
The Banner of Kaviyan

1C39BB
The Barbecue, the Movie, & Other Unfortunately Not So Relevant Material

A21E1E
Batboy

FF4500
A Beak for Trends

B94A46
Bedfellows

9F4959
Before the Beginning

F6782C
Between the Rivers

ECD540
Birdwitching

FECC2A
Black Tulip

463542
The Bleeding Moon

FCFEDA
Bluethroats

76ABDF
Bluff

E7A83E
The Boring Beast

FFFED6
But It Does Move

C41E3A
The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump

B3C70C
The Castle of the Sparrowhawk

F89EF3
The Catcher in the Rhine

B784A7
Cayos in the Stream

00CC99
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My Weird Crypid/Fictional Creatures Dream

A little while ago, I had a interesting dream regarding several crypids and fictional fantasy and folklore animals existing as real animals. The list of animals follows:

  • The Unicorn
  • The Jackalope
  • Sasquatch/Bigfoot/Skunk ape
  • Yeti
  • Chupacabra
  • Lake monsters that are either are or based on the Plesiosaurus (The Loch Ness Monster, the Champ, ect)

  • 1 Unicorns
  • 2 Jackalopes
  • 3 Sasquatch
  • 4 Yeti
  • 5 Chupacabra
  • 6 Lake Monsters

The unicorn in my dream was a domesticated equid much like that of a horse or a donkey, which they coexisted with. They basically were horses with a horn on their heads. Strangely, the hoofs in my dream where inconsistent. Sometimes, they had hooves resembling those of horses and donkeys while other times they had cloven hoofs with an odd number of toe…



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JCC the Alternate Historian JCC the Alternate Historian 27 December 2019
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Which of Turtledove's Works Could Be Made Into Movies?

This subject has been buzzing in my head for the past few years guys. If any of Harry Turtledove's were to made into movies, which ones could potentially be the best ones?

Here are some of his works in my opinion that would make some potentially good films.

  • The Southern Victory Series
  • The Worldwar franchise
  • The Guns of the South
  • The Two Georges

--JCC the Alternate Historian (talk) 22:35, December 27, 2019 (UTC)

In all honesty, Hollywood is running out of ideas these days and there is plenty of untapped potential with alternate history books being adapted into films. There's only a couple of examples I can think of when thinking of alternate history working as either a movie or a TV series (Fatherland back in 1994, the Man in the High Castle as a …

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JCC the Alternate Historian JCC the Alternate Historian 24 December 2019
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How Jefferson Would've Likely Voted in Past Elections

Geez, I haven't touched my blog in over a year! Well time to add more blog posts again.

I originally posted the "How Jefferson Likely Voted in Past Elections" on the Republican Party talk page, but I was told that my blog would probably be a better spot for it.

Here, I put down how the area composing of Jefferson would have voted in past United States presidential elections looking at election maps of the counties of both California and Oregon. Might not be 100% accurate.

I should note that this represents the area of Jefferson in OTL. I'm not sure how the demographics of Sasquatches and other similar creatures that assimilated into human culture would have voted in Jefferson in past elections.

  • 1920: A landslide win for Warren G. Harding.
  • 1924:…
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Matthew Babe Stevenson Matthew Babe Stevenson 19 December 2019
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Van's flashback characters

Throughout the Elabon Series, Van of the Strong Arm narrates tales of his adventures before he met Gerin the Fox. These anecdotes have little relevance to the plot, and often seem like separate stories. In addition, it is suggested that Van is an unreliable narrator, calling the in-universe veracity of these stories into question. Below are a list of characters from Van's flashbacks.


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Matthew Babe Stevenson Matthew Babe Stevenson 11 October 2019
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Category: Party Leaders

In a governmental system, a party leader acts as the official representative of their political party. The party leader is typically responsible for managing the party's relationship with the general public. As such, they will take a leading role in developing and communicating party policy, especially election platforms, to the electorate. They are also typically the public face of the respective party and the principal media contact.

In many parliamentary systems, party leaders compete directly for high political office. It is thus typical in such states (e.g., in the Westminster system, which gave rise to the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom) for the party leader to seek election to the legislature, and, if elected, to simultaneously s…

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Matthew Babe Stevenson Matthew Babe Stevenson 15 August 2019
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Historical references

These are my proposed additions to References to Historical Figures in Turtledove's Work.


  • 1 Arcadius (Roman Emperor)
  • 2 William, Count of Mortain
  • 3 William of York
  • 4 References

Flavius Arcadius (Greek: Ἀρκάδιος, Árkádios; 1 January 377 – 1 May 408) was Emperor of the Eastern Roman Empire from 395 to 408. He was the eldest son of Theodosius I and his first wife Aelia Flaccilla, and brother of Honorius. A weak ruler, his reign was dominated by a series of powerful ministers and by his wife, Aelia Eudoxia.

In the Agent of Byzantium story "Images," Basil Argyros sees an iconoclast demonstration gathered at the Forum of Arkadios in Constantinople. The monk Sasopis preaches to the crowd while perched on a huge stone arm, which is all that remains of a statue …



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Matthew Babe Stevenson Matthew Babe Stevenson 7 May 2019
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Literary allusions

These are my proposed additions to Literary Allusions in Turtledove's Work.


  • 1 Alexander Afanasyev
  • 2 David Brin
  • 3 Dan Brown
  • 4 References

Alexander Nikolayevich Afanasyev (Александр Николаевич Афанасьев) (23 July [O.S. 11 July] 1826 — 5 October [O.S. 23 September] 1871) was a Russian Slavist and ethnographer who published nearly 600 Russian fairy and folk tales, one of the largest collections of folklore in the world. The first edition of his collection was published in eight volumes from 1855–67, earning him the reputation as being the Russian counterpart to the Brothers Grimm. Most of the definitive Baba Yaga legends were first transcribed by Afanasyev. Arguably the internationally best-known example is "Vasilisa the Beautiful", wherein an indentur…



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Matthew Babe Stevenson Matthew Babe Stevenson 1 May 2019
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Minor Fictional Characters in Laura Frankos Short Stories

This article lists the various minor fictional characters who appear in the short fiction of Laura Frankos. These characters are identified by name or profession, but play at best a peripheral role in their respective stories. Most were simply mentioned or had a very brief, unimportant speaking role that did not impact the plot, and never appeared again.

Note: All characters from "Slue-Foot Sue and the Witch in the Woods" are adapted from other works.


  • 1 "A Beak for Trends"
  • 2 "The Garden Gnome Freedom Front"
    • 2.1 Claude
  • 3 References


Claude was a reporter for the Saint-Clément Chronicle. In 1996, he reported on garden gnome thefts in the Rouen metro area, and sent an early copy to his cousin Becca Milleron. Thinking Becca would be interested because she …




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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 27 April 2019
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Detinan Deities

The people of Detina believed that their destiny was interlocked that of several divine beings. Both the indigenous blond people and dark-haired colonists who founded the Kingdom of Detina believed in at least two sets of gods. However, belief was not the same as respect and worship. After the conquest of western Detina, the defeated blonds continued believing in their own gods. Nevertheless, some of them believed that these gods, while truly existing, were weak and unworthy of worship, and began to worship the conquering people's gods instead.


  • 1 Gods of the Blonds
    • 1.1 Death Lord
    • 1.2 Red Lady
  • 2 Gods of the Kingdom of Detina
    • 2.1 Hunt Lady
    • 2.2 Sweet One
    • 2.3 Thunderer
  • 3 Other
    • 3.1 Mount Panamgam
      • 3.1.1 Literary comment
    • 3.2 References


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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 5 April 2019
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Monarch of the United Kingdom, with portals for Monarch of England and Monarch of Scotland

The monarch of the United Kingdom is the head of state of the United Kingdom and its overseas territories in the broader Commonwealth of Nations. There have been 12 monarchs of the United Kingdom proper, although the monarchy traces its origins back to both the monarchies of the Angles and the ancient Scots kings. The Kingdom of Great Britain was formed by the Acts of Union on 1 May 1707 with the merger of the Kingdom of England and the Kingdom of Scotland, which had been in personal union under the House of Stuart since March 1603. On 1 January 1801 Great Britain merged with the Kingdom of Ireland to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. After most of Ireland left the union on 6 December 1922, its name was amended to the Unit…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 16 January 2019
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Visual arts references in Turtledove's Work

Like many authors, Harry Turtledove references the broad impact which painting, drawing, sculpture, and their creators have had on society. Sometimes, these references can give a reader insight into how a particular timeline differs from OTL. Other times, they are more incidental and designed to invoke a specific era or culture. What follows is a list of such references which can be found in Turtledove's body of work, organized by the artist.

Note: As many homages are subtle, they can easily escape the notice of any given reader. Therefore we strongly encourage anyone who has found, or believes he has found, an homage not already on this list, or by an author not represented, to add it.


Jean-Honoré Fragonard (4 April 1732 – 22 August 1806) w…


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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 26 December 2018
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Monarch of the United Kingdom (plus Monarch of England)

The monarch of the United Kingdom is the head of state of the United Kingdom and its overseas territories in the broader Commonwealth of Nations. There have been 12 monarchs of United Kingdom proper, although the monarchy traces its origins back to both the monarchies of the Angles and the ancient Scots kings. The Kingdom of Great Britain was formed by the Acts of Union on 1 May 1707 with the merger of the Kingdom of England and the Kingdom of Scotland, which had been in personal union under the House of Stuart since March 1603. On 1 January 1801 Great Britain merged with the Kingdom of Ireland to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. After most of Ireland left the union on 6 December 1922, its name was amended to the United K…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 27 October 2018
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Ruler of India (for my amusement)

India has a millennia-long recorded history, with numerous forms of head of state and government. Since 1950, the head of state has been the President, and since 1947 the Head of Government has been the Prime Minister. Governments prior to 1947 were primarily monarchical, with the Monarch of the United Kingdom doubling as Emperor or Empress of India from 1877 until 1947.

The following individuals ruled India during or after the point of divergence of one of Harry Turtledove's alternate history timelines. Most Turtledove PODs occur when India is a part of the British Empire.

Many stories contain references to rulers who died before the POD. Stories set in the history of OTL may reference the incumbent ruler. These do not belong here.


  • 1 Southern Victo…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 19 August 2018
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Ruler of Hungary

Throughout its history, Hungary has changed its form of government several times.

The Kingdom of Hungary existed from AD 1000 to 1946. It was a power in Central Europe throughout the Middle Ages, but in the 16th Century, part of Hungary was occupied by the Ottoman Empire, a Principality of Transylvania, with Royal Hungary under the reign of the House of Hapsburg.

In 1867, Hungary joined with the Austrian Empire, creating the Austro-Hungarian Empire, with the Austrian Emperor also holding the Hungarian throne. At the end of World War I, the empire collapsed, and Hungary saw a series of abortive republics (including a communist soviet) from 1918 to 1920, until the kingdom was re-established. Ironically, the sole head of state was Miklos Horthy…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 18 August 2018
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Ruler of Austria

Austria has had several forms of government throughout its history. It was a margraviate from 976 to 1156, a duchy from 1156 to 1457, and an archduchy from 1457 to 1804. Throughout this period, Austria was a constituent state of the Holy Roman Empire. During the archduchy period, most of the Holy Roman Emperors also held the title of Archduke of Austria. In 1804, the Emperor Francis II proclaimed Austria an empire itself, and two years later, dissolved the Holy Roman Empire. The ruler of Austria was the Emperor of Austria until 1918. In 1867, the Empire of Austria was united with the Kingdom of Hungary, and this union was commonly known as Austria-Hungary. That union dissolved in 1918 at the close of World War I, and Austria became a repub…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 23 July 2018
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Rulers of Persia and Iran

Throughout its long history, Persia, later known as Iran, has had a variety of governments, most of them monarchical in nature. Since 1979, Iran has been a republic. The fiction of Harry Turtledove has altered the history and government of Persia aka Iran in numerous ways.


  • 1 Agent of Byzantium
  • 2 "Counting Potsherds"
  • 3 Crosstime Traffic
  • 4 Other rulers
  • 5 Historical rulers in non-ruling roles
  • 6 See also

The Persian Empire was the Roman Empire's chief rival. It was ruled by the King of Kings, assisted by the Grand Wazir.

Known Kings of Kings:

  • Khosrau II, incumbent in "Departures", set c. 605.


  • Unnamed monarch, whose reign includes 1316 ("Archetypes") and 1320 ("Superwine").

Known Grand Wazirs:

  • Unnamed Grand Wazir in 1317, referenced in "Images."

Under Khsrish I th…








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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 23 July 2018
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Ruler of Italy

Italy has had many forms of government in its intermittent history as a nation. The most common head of state titles have been King and President, while the head of government has most often used the title of Prime Minister. Nevertheless, there have been occasional exceptions. Harry Turtledove has made even more changes to Italy's governing style in his fiction.


  • 1 The Gladiator
  • 2 In the Presence of Mine Enemies
    • 2.1 Known Kings
    • 2.2 Known Duci
  • 3 Through Darkest Europe
  • 4 Other rulers
  • 5 Historical rulers in non-ruling roles

In the home timeline, Italy's parliamentary republic, established in the 1940s, remained in effect more than 150 years later. In 2097, the incumbent Prime Minister was frequently criticized in the press.

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If the Entente Powers Won the Great War in Southern Victory

  • 1 The Topic
  • 2 The Discussion of What Might Happen
    • 2.1 The End of the First Great War
    • 2.2 Peace Treaties and Territory Changes
    • 2.3 Interwar Period (1918-1929)
      • 2.3.1 United States
      • 2.3.2 Confederate States and Canada
      • 2.3.3 The Rest of the World
    • 2.4 The Rise of Gordon McSweeney (1920s-1933)
      • 2.4.1 The Great Depression
    • 2.5 List of US Presidents
    • 2.6 List of CS Presidents
    • 2.7 Possible Maps and Alternate History Topics

In the Southern Victory Series, we already know that the Central Powers (the United States, Germany, Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire) won both the Great War and the Second Great War against the Entente Powers (the Confederate States, the United Kingdom, France and Russia).

However, wasn't it one of Harry Turtledove's original plans to have the US and th…


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States the Republicans Won in Joe Steele (Guesses and Speculation)

In Joe Steele (both the novel and the short story), we obviously already know that Joe Steele would win his six presidential elections by landslide margins. However, we don't always know how many electoral votes and states his rivals got in the elections. So far, going by both the short story and novel, we already know some of the results for the loosing candidates in the six elections. They are:

  • In 1932, Herbert Hoover wins 59 electoral votes from the six states of Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Vermont. The short story mentions the states he won but the novel doesn't go into much detail on that. However, we should assume that Hoover still won the same states as he did in both the short story and OTL.
  • In 1936,…
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Republican Vice Presidential candidates in Joe Steele (Guesses and Speculation)

In the novel Joe Steele, the only two Republican Vice Presidential candidates that are either mentioned or presumed to have served as in OTL. They are Charles Curtis (who presumably served under Herbert Hoover as in OTL and attempted to run as his running mate again in 1932) and Frank Knox (who ran with Alf Landon in 1936 as in OTL).

Since those were the only two Republican Vice Presidential candidates who were mentioned at all, I think we should speculate on could have been the running mates of Wendell Willkie in 1940, Thomas Dewey in 1944, Harold Stassen in 1948 and Robert Taft in 1952.

After having a discussion with TR down in the comment section, we decided to have McNary and Bricker still be the GOP VP candidates to Willkie and Dewey, r…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 10 June 2018
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Prime Minister of Canada

The Prime Minister of Canada (French: Premier ministre du Canada) is the primary minister of the Crown, chairman of the Cabinet, and thus Canada's head of government, charged with advising the Canadian monarch or Governor General of Canada on the exercise of the executive powers vested in them by the constitution. Not outlined in any constitutional document, the office exists only as per long-established convention (originating in Canada's former colonial power, the United Kingdom) that stipulates the monarch's representative, the governor general, must select as prime minister the person most likely to command the confidence of the elected House of Commons; this individual is typically the leader of the political party that holds the largest…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 9 June 2018
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Governor of California (for shits and giggles)

The Governor of California is the head of government of the U.S. state of California. The California Governor is the chief executive of the state government and the commander-in-chief of the California National Guard and the California State Military Reserve.

Established in the Constitution of California, the governor's responsibilities also include making the annual State of the State address to the California State Legislature, submitting the budget, and ensuring that state laws are enforced. The position was created in 1849, the year before California became a state.

As of this writing, Edmund G. "Jerry" Brown Jr. is the longest-serving governor, surpassing Earl Warren's 10-year tenure in 2013.


Earl Warren is referenced as the incumbent Gove…


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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 8 June 2018
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Attorney General of the United States

The United States Attorney General (A.G.) is the head of the United States Department of Justice per 28 U.S.C. § 503, concerned with all legal affairs, and is the chief lawyer of the United States government. In cases of the federal death penalty, the power to seek the death penalty rests with the Attorney General.

Under Article II Section 2 of the Constitution, the Attorney General is nominated by the President and appointed with the advice and consent of Congress. The Constitution is clear that the Attorney General may be impeached by Congress. As to whether the Attorney General may be summarily removed by the President, no provision of the Constitution grants this power. The decisional law suggests that the President has the power to remov…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 4 June 2018
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Secretary of War of the Confederate States

The Confederate States Secretary of War was a member of the Confederate States President's Cabinet during the American Civil War. The Secretary of War was head of the Confederate States Department of War. The position ended in May 1865 when the Confederacy crumbled.

The Secretary of War, a Confederate cabinet position, was the chief officer of the Confederate War Department. Answerable to President Jefferson Davis, the Secretary of War controlled all matters regarding the Confederate States Army and Native Americans, and had the right to appoint as many clerks as necessary. This designation allowed the Secretary of War to create what eventually became the biggest department in the Confederacy. The President had the power to appoint and fire t…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 4 June 2018
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Secretary of the Interior of the United States (just to see it)

The United States Secretary of the Interior is the head of the United States Department of the Interior, founded in 1849. The Department of the Interior oversees such agencies as the Bureau of Land Management, the United States Geological Survey, and the National Park Service. The Secretary also serves on and appoints the private citizens on the National Park Foundation board. The Secretary is a member of the President's Cabinet and is eighth in the presidential line of succession.

While the Department of the Interior hasn't been front and center in Harry Turtledove's work, he has been known to make fictional use of it.



Secretary of the Interior
Term
Party
President
Henry Wallace

1937-1942
Socialist
Al Smith
Harry Hopkins

1942-1945
S…


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Weird Alternate/Future History Dreams and Thoughts

Has anyone ever had any weird alternate/future history dreams or thoughts they would like to share?


  • 1 The YK2 Series
  • 2 Alta California-ay Series
  • 3 Various Other Dreams
    • 3.1 Christian Fundamentalist Dream
    • 3.2 Myself as a Dictator/President of the USA

My first alternate history dream (or more like a series of dreams about the same topic) that I'll partly share was called Y2K. The alternate history dream's Point of Divergence occurred on December 31, 1999/January 1, 2000 was about the Y2K Bug actually happening and the new millennium starting off with a huge bang! Millions to billions dead by morning with nukes destroyed most major cities around the world. The US Government was likely screwed since Washington, DC was hit hard by nukes. We survivors didn'…



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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 2 June 2018
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Secretary of War/the Navy/Defense of the United States (for my amusement)

The Secretary of War was a member of the United States President's Cabinet, beginning with George Washington's administration. A similar position, called either "Secretary at War" or "Secretary of War", had been appointed to serve the Congress of the Confederation under the Articles of Confederation between 1781 and 1789.

The Secretary of War was the head of the War Department. At first, he was responsible for all military affairs, including naval affairs. In 1798, the Secretary of the Navy was created by statute, and the scope of responsibility for the War Department was reduced to the affairs of the United States Army. From 1886 onward, the Secretary of War was in the line of succession to the presidency, after the Vice President of the Unit…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 31 May 2018
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Heads of State of Mexico (just to see what it looks like)

The Head of State in Mexico is the person who controls the executive power in the country. Under the current constitution, this responsibility lies with the President of the United Mexican States, who is head of the supreme executive power of the Mexican Union. Throughout its history, Mexico has had several forms of government. Under the federal constitutions, the title of President was the same as the current. Under the Seven Laws (centralist), the chief executive was named President of the Republic. In addition, there have been two periods of monarchical rule, during which the executive was controlled by the Emperor of Mexico.

The chronology of the heads of state of Mexico is complicated due to the country's political instability during the 1…

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TR TR 30 May 2018
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Chancellor of Germany (because I want to see what it looks like)

The Chancellor of Germany is the head of government of Germany. In German politics the Chancellor is equivalent to that of a Prime Minister in many other countries.

The office of Chancellor has a long history, stemming back to the Holy Roman Empire. The title was at times used in several states of German-speaking Europe. The modern office of Chancellor was established with the North German Confederation, of which Otto von Bismarck became Chancellor in 1867. After the Unification of Germany in 1871, the office became known in German as Reichskanzler, although it continued to be referred to as Chancellor in English.

With the collapse of the empire in 1918, a republic, known as the Weimar Republic, was formed, with a presidential office replacing th…

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TR TR 13 May 2018
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Seven Princes of Kuusamo

Just a quick list since Jonathan is on the Darkness kick. Gleaned these from Amazon search inside.

  • Jauhainen/Juhainen (TtD, JotD, OotD) (nephew and successor of Joroinen)
  • Joroinen (ItD, DD)
  • Parainen (DD)
  • Renavall (RotD)
  • Rustolainen (DD)

Not sure how we want to handle the whole concept of the Seven Princes.

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 11 May 2018
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Sultan of the Ottoman Empire (for my amusement)

The Sultans of the Ottoman Empire (Turkish: Osmanlı padişahları), sometimes referred to by outsiders as the "Grand Turk,", were all members of the Ottoman dynasty (House of Osman), which ruled over the transcontinental empire from its perceived inception in 1299 to its dissolution in 1922. At its height, the Ottoman Empire spanned an area from Hungary in the north to Yemen in the south, and from Algeria in the west to Iraq in the east. Administered at first from the city of Bursa, the empire's capital was moved to Edirne in 1363 following its conquest by Murad I, and then to Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453 following its conquest by Mehmed II. The capture of Istanbul was the end of the Byzantine Empire, and henceforth the Sultans added "Empe…

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 8 April 2018
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Governor of New York (for my amusement)

The Governor of the State of New York is the chief executive of the U.S. state of New York. The governor is the head of the executive branch of New York's state government and the commander-in-chief of the state's military and naval forces.

Harry Turtledove has fictionalized the New York Governorship as follows.


  • 1 Joe Steele
  • 2 Southern Victory
    • 2.1 Literary comment
  • 3 Other Governors
  • 4 Historical Governors in non-gubernatorial roles

Only two Governors are identified:


  • Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democrat) is Governor from January 1929 until July 1932, when he is killed in an arson fire. This happens identically in both the novel and the short story. He was probably succeeded by Lt. Gov. Herbert H. Lehman, but this is not stated.

  • Thomas Dewey (Republican) is incum…


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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 26 March 2018
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Byzantine Emperor (for my amusement)

The office of Emperor of the Roman Empire in the East (retroactively renamed Emperor of the Byzantine Empire) was never formally created, but instead gradually "spun off" from the leadership position of the original Roman Empire. In 330, Roman Emperor Constantine I moved his capital to Constantinople, the city formerly known as Byzantium, which remained the seat of power of the Eastern Empire after the schism with the Western subdivision. The Byzantine Emperors all claimed rulership of "the Romans" until Constantinople's fall to the Ottoman Empire in 1453 AD. The title of all Byzantine Emperors until the reign (610-641) of Herakleios, was officially "Augustus," although other titles such as Dominus were also used. Their names were preceded …

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 26 March 2018
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Roman Emperor (for my amusement)

The Roman Emperor was the ruler of the Roman Empire during the imperial period (starting in 27 BC). The emperors used a variety of different titles throughout history, usually Augustus or Caesar. Another title often used was imperator, originally a military honorific. Early Emperors also used the title princeps (first citizen). Emperors frequently amassed republican titles, notably Princeps senatus, Consul, and Pontifex Maximus.

The legitimacy of an emperor's rule depended on his control of the army and recognition by the Senate; an emperor would normally be proclaimed by his troops, or invested with imperial titles by the Senate, or both. The first emperors reigned alone; later emperors would sometimes rule with co-Emperors and divide adminis…

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TR TR 11 March 2018
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US Presidential Nominees (because we talked about it once)

This is a list of known presidential nominees in the works of Harry Turtledove.


  • 1 Democratic Party
    • 1.1 Southern Victory
    • 1.2 Other Nominees
  • 2 Republican Party
    • 2.1 Joe Steele
    • 2.2 Southern Victory
    • 2.3 Other Nominees
  • 3 Socialists and Other Third Parties
    • 3.1 Southern Victory
    • 3.2 Other Nominees



Election
Candidate
Won (Y/N?)
1864
Unknown

Y
1868
Y
1872
Y
1876
Samuel J. Tilden

Y
1880
N
1888
(presumed)
Alfred Thayer Mahan

Y
1892
(presumed)
Y
1896
(presumed)
Thomas Reed

Y
1900
(presumed)
Y
1904

Unknown

Y
1908
Y
1912
Theodore Roosevelt

Y
1916
Y
1920
N
1924
Unknown

N
1928
Calvin Coolidge

N
1932
Y
1936
Herbert Hoover

N
1940
Robert Taft

N
1944
Thomas Dewey

Y

In The Guns of the South, Horatio Seymour is the Democratic nominee in 1864. Seymour wins.

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TR TR 9 March 2018
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Heads of State of Spain (because I have work I'm trying to avoid)

This blog contains the heads of state of Spain (in its various forms) that appear as characters in the works of Harry Turtledove. They may or may not hold the office of head of state in a given Turtledove work.

Throughout most of its history, Spain has been a monarchy. The foundation for the unification of the modern state of Spain began in the late 15th Century by the marriage of Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile, and the subsequent reconquest of the Iberian Peninsula from the Moors, with the final victory being achieved in 1492. The final unification came with the ascension of Charles I in 1516, who ruled over what came to be seen as Spain's Golden Age. The Hapsburg line ended with Charles II in 1700, and the Bourbon dynasty …

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TR TR 4 March 2018
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United States Secretary of State (because it continues to amuse me)

The Secretary of State, appointed by the President of the United States with the advice and consent of the Senate, is the President's chief foreign affairs adviser. The Secretary carries out the President's foreign policies through the State Department and the Foreign Service of the United States.

In addition, the Secretary of State retains domestic responsibilities that Congress entrusted to the State Department in 1789. These include the custody of the Great Seal of the United States, the preparation of certain presidential proclamations, the publication of treaties and international acts as well as the official record of the foreign relations of the United States, and the custody of certain original treaties and international agreements. …

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JonathanMarkoff JonathanMarkoff 3 March 2018
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Speaker of the US House of Representatives (for my amusement)

The Speaker of the House is the presiding officer of the U.S. House of Representatives. The office is permitted by Article 1, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, although the actual process for selecting the Speaker comes from rules adopted by the House, rather than the Constitution. Generally, the Speaker is elected from the majority party in the House. The Speaker is second in the United States presidential line of succession, after the Vice President of the United States.


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  • 2 Other Speakers
  • 3 Historical Speakers in non-Speaker roles
  • 4 Confederate States Speaker of the House

During the Remembrance Era in United States history, from the 1880s to the 1910s, the office of Speaker of the House was monopolized…



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TR TR 25 February 2018
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Chief Justice of the US (for my amusement)

The Chief Justice of the United States is the highest judicial officer in the United States and is the head of the Judicial Branch of the Federal government (consisting of the Federal court system as well as the Administrative Office of the United States Courts, whose director the Chief Justice appoints).

The Chief Justice is a justice of the United States Supreme Court, over which he presides. The other justices, called Associate Justices, enjoy considerable benefits based on seniority, including the right to assign the writing of an opinion in a majority if they are the senior justice in that majority. However, the Chief Justice automatically outranks all other justices on the court in this matter as well as in less substantive perks of sen…

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TR TR 18 February 2018
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Monarchs of Russia (for my amusement)

While the modern state of Russia was formed 1547, many historians consider the various monarchies that existed prior to 1547 when discussing a Russian "monarchy". These include the Princes of Novgorod, the Grand Princes of Kiev, the Grand Princes of Vladimir, and the Grand Princes of Moscow. It was under the Grand Princes of Moscow that a true Russian state was unified in 1547, with Ivan IV the Terrible proclaiming himself the Tsar of all the Russias. Peter the Great proclaimed Russia an empire in 1721, and successfully made Russia into a European power. The monarchy was overthrown during the Russian Revolution in 1917, and the reigning emperor, Nicholas II and his immediate family were executed in 1918. While there are a number of claimant…

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TR TR 11 February 2018
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FLOTUS (for my amusement)

The First Lady of the United States is the official hostess of the White House, with ultimate responsibility for overseeing protocol at all White House functions. (In alternate history timelines where the seat of the Presidency is not the White House, we can assume that the First Lady performs the same function wherever the President does sit.) In recent years, it has also become customary for the First Lady to advocate on behalf of social initiatives, usually of a politically non-controversial nature. The position of First Lady is unpaid, and tradition prohibits a First Lady from being gainfully employed while she holds the post, for fear of an employer or contractor attempting to use her salary to influence the President.

Throughout America…

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TR TR 25 December 2017
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Monarch of England (for my amusement)

The Monarchy of England is generally traced back to Alfred the Great (849-899), the king of Wessex, one of several kingdoms in what is now called England. After asserting Wessex's dominance over rival kingdom Mercia, Alfred proclaimed himself "King of the English". His grandson, Æthelstan, was the first monarch to reign over a unified England. However, he retained the title "King of the English".

In 1066, William, Duke of Normandy successfully conquered the entirety of England. William is generally considered to have been the first monarch to rule as "King of England" as opposed to "King of the English". In the centuries that followed, the role of the monarchy was defined and expanded. In 1542, Henry VIII was proclaimed King of Ireland. In 16…

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TR TR 12 November 2016
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Heads of State of Germany (more playing)

The head of state of Germany has changed at various times since the unification of the German Empire in 1871. The first head of state was the Emperor (Kaiser). After the Germany Empire collapse, the Weimar Republic was formed, with the Reichspräsident ("President of Germany" in English) replacing the emperor as the German head of state. While the Weimar Constitution created a parliamentary republic, the president could dismiss the chancellor and the cabinet, even if they enjoyed support in the Reichstag. The president could also appoint a chancellor without parlimentary support.  These powers, combined with the general instability of the Republic overall, resulted in a very powerful presidency.

In 1933, Adolf Hitler attained the office of ch…

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TR TR 12 November 2016
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Head of State of France (playing around)

Throughout the majority of its history, France has been a monarchy and is generally considered to have begun with the Frankish Kingdom in 486. In 1792, Louis XVI was overthrown, and the First Republic was established. Executive authority shifted to a number of bodies throughout the First Republic, finally ending in the Consulate, which fell to the First Empire of Napoleon Bonaparte (who'd previously become Consul for Life) in 1804. Napoleon was overthrown in 1814, and made an ultimately unsuccessful bid to regain the crown the following year. In the meantime, the House of Bourbon was restored.

The Bourbon Restoration lasted until the so-called July Monarchy of 1830, when Louis-Phillipe I displaced Charles X and proclaimed himself "Monarch o…

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Mr Nelg Mr Nelg 18 July 2015
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'Roo in the Snow

Here's something I never thought to see.

To answer this question, the east coast of Australia is in the grip of an Antartic Vortex.

In plane English...  IT'S BLOODY COLD DOWN HERE!!!

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Zhukov15 Zhukov15 2 May 2013
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The Reconstruction Era

The Reconstruction Era

After the Second Great War,or as it is known in these modern times:GW2,the defunct CSA was decimated.Most cities and towns(like Richmond and Lexington)were heavily damaged.A whole generation of men were lost in the fighting.The Negro population were horrendously reduced by the genocidal policies of Jake Featherston. In other words,the South was in tatters.

And so,the Democratic US president Harry Truman(lead the country from 1948 to 1950) was the first one to start the rebuilding of the South...in the image of the US.Truman realized the South must be developed again to truly join the US of A.Without this visionary man,the process to allow people in the South for the US Congress and full-fledged citizens of the US would…

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Zhukov15 Zhukov15 12 April 2013
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How is Turtledove is betraying us!

Why I think Turtledove Is betraying his loyal Readership Turtledovians of the world,revolt!You have nothing to lose but your boredom!

Hi,I'm Zhukov15 and I'm here to tell the truth.Truth is,Turtledove is betraying us.How you may ask.By neglecting Southern Victory.Ever since I finished Settling Accounts,I am hungering for more.But more isn't coming.For some reason,Turtledove hasn't continued the series like he should have,which would have garnered him more recognition.I know most of you are gonna disagree with me but SV is the work that makes the most of readers want more!But he isn't obliging them!Why you may ask again.Because he paying more attention to upstart new series.In my eyes,that is a serious betrayal.

We all know the series ends wit…

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