Board Thread:New on Turtledove/@comment-24402759-20150517212707/@comment-24402759-20150518194716

Turtle Fan wrote: I can't imagine what you're basing that on. The US in 191 is a militarized society prepared to devote a large percentage of its resources to projects like this, especially since that's always going to cost less than going back to the bad old days of being surrounded by powerful neighbors who hate them. The black population of the South is going to be loyal to a fault as long as Philadelphia doesn't do something stupid like recreate OTL Reconstruction policy, the Quebecois will still be. . . well, worth something, anyway. . . and once you've got occupation set up, you can start offering carrots as well as sticks.

Even were it otherwise, I don't equate "too much territory and not enough loyal populace to go around" with " almost tak[ing] place in the Soviet Union."

But at any rate, at least in calling it a "dark ominous ending," you're recognizing that it is an ending, which puts you several up on the weirdos who are begging for HT to go back to beating what is by now the deadest of dead horses.

True it is an ending and one can only speculate of what I just wrote.

But the military bit is a point that I think would come back and hurt the USA later on, true the blacks in the south will be loyal but most if not everyone else (Including native americans that suffer even worse in this story) plus ithe racial tensions would be even higher than in OTL.

With powerful external enemies like Japan (Undefeated in this Timeline) about to aquire nukes the massive military spending which is practically paralel to that of the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union is what made both of these collapse.

The Confederacy/Canada can not be compared to Germany (East and West) after our timeline since they were eventually allowed to govern themselves AND reunify.

In short The USA tries to hold on to their conquests AND at the same time try to compete with a still powerful Japan will most likely cause not a total collapse but a guaranteed collapse of their occupation of the other two nations.

Quebec......A bunch of "Vive La France" wannabees in ANY history alternate or otherwise.