Talk:References to Historical Figures in Turtledove's Work

Story Character Categories
Previously I had mentioned that we should keep the character categories for those articles whose sub-sections had been moved here. See Talk:Stephen Douglas for more on that. I see that TR has removed them during the latest batch of changes. I assume that was an oversight but want to see if there is any more thoughts on the matter. I do wish to point out that for those who are only redirects, the character cat(s) remain. ML4E (talk) 17:17, August 20, 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm inclined to remove and leave the "See Also" sections. TR (talk) 17:23, August 20, 2016 (UTC)


 * My reasoning is to make it easy for people looking in the story cats but it might not be obvious for them to look at the "See Also". Maybe back to the individual story redirects as I previously suggested. Or not. I don't have strong feelings on it. ML4E (talk) 17:38, August 20, 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm tempted to do the story redirect, but then I think we'd simply sow confusion--why are categorizing these redirects, but not redirects for the substantial characters? I don't know, I don't see a completely satisfying resolution to the issue. TR (talk) 18:52, August 20, 2016 (UTC)


 * Because the substantial articles appear directly rather than as a redirect. For instance, the "Charles Coughlin" article would appear in the Joe Steele Characters cat while "Charles Coughlin (Worldwar)" as a redirect to here would appear in the WW characters cat. In addition, the redirect would show in italics indicating to an experienced user that it is a redirect and so unlikely to be a major appearance. ML4E (talk) 18:08, August 21, 2016 (UTC)

Additional Popes in "Under St. Peter's"
In USP, Pope Benedict XVI reflects that he won't have as long a reign as Pope John Paul II, but John XXIII showed you didn't need a long reign to make your mark.(We Install and Other Stories, p. 249.) On page 253, on his way to the Order of the Pipistrelle's hidden chamber, Benedict passes the tombs of Innocent VIII and Pius X.JonathanMarkoff (talk) 17:56, August 1, 2016 (UTC)


 * They are just name-checked so I don't think they need sub-sections here. Readers will just think "a couple of dead popes" and don't need any other information. ML4E (talk) 17:55, August 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * I think the reference to John 23 is a mildly interesting character moment for B16, but not worth a complete J23 page. I'm not going to argue for the list of tombs.JonathanMarkoff (talk) 06:17, August 4, 2016 (UTC)


 * Also, at one point, B16 is thinking about a reporter's apparently surprised statement that "the new Pope is named after a previous one", and is thinks to himself that the reporter should have figured out he (B16) is named after not just one, but 15 previous Popes. He thinks something like "what did he think the 16 after the name meant." Maybe this could justify a ref subarticle on Benedict XV.JonathanMarkoff (talk) 20:10, August 4, 2016 (UTC)


 * It seems like it would be a reference to B 1-15 if we really wanted to stretch it. And no,  I don't see any point in stretching it.  TR (talk) 20:33, August 4, 2016 (UTC)